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I understand why you would use ad hominum attack against one who does not agree with you. It upsets people when they are shown to be in the wrong and so rather than own up to their plight, they attack the individual they are debating with. It is very common. It shows the bankruptcy of a good argument on the part of the one attacking. You don't normally see such things when professional theologians debate. It would show their weakness and pettiness if they did such a thing.
You have absolutely no proof whatsoever that the universe came into being without God's direct involvement. Therefore you do not have "more proof" God didn't do it. Now please don't go into another post berating me again or I will have to put you on ignore.
Oh yea? Where is your "proof", imperfect or otherwise, that God DID create the universe? You have ZERO evidence or proof that he did, other than your book that was written by people who didn't know where the sun went at night. We have all of science. In other words, MORE proof than you.
I realize this question was asked for someone else, but I hope what I have to say is pertinent to your question.
In the historic account of Genesis it is stated that "In beginning, God created the heavens and earth and the earth BECAME chaos and vacant." Then in 1:2 onward God is making the earth that was already there habitable again.
Therefore the heavens could be many many millions, even billions of years old and the making of the earth habitable again took place between 6 and 10 thousand years ago.
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Actually, it doesn't state that in the Hebrew Tanakh...G-d created everything on the first day and then put everything into place accordingly...
I agree. The historic account of Genesis doesn't state God created the heavens and earth on the first day.
God did not originaly create the earth a chaos but to be indwelt:
Isa_45:18 For thus says Yahweh, Creator of the heavens; He is the Elohim, and Former of the earth, and its Maker, and He, He established it. He did not create it a chaos. He formed it to be indwelt. "I am Yahweh, and there is none else."
Therefore after the earth was created to be indwelt, it **became** chaos and vacant of life many many years later.
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Or G-d did not populate the earth when He created the universe...
Oh yea? Where is your "proof", imperfect or otherwise, that God DID create the universe? You have ZERO evidence or proof that he did, other than your book that was written by people who didn't know where the sun went at night. We have all of science. In other words, MORE proof than you.
Nonetheless, you have no proof. So it is improper to say God did not create the heavens and earth.
He was human and divine since God was His father and Mary His mother.
Jesus was made--lower than the angels while on earth-Heb 2:7-9)pure mortal. Jesus could do 0 of his own-John 5:30--- Gods power went through Jesus-Acts 2:22--- that means Jehovah is the one who did it all--but through Jesus.
Nonetheless, you have no proof. So it is improper to say God did not create the heavens and earth.
Dodge dodge dodge. You know no other way!
If it is improper to say God did not, then it is also improper to say he did, as you have no proof. So, Eusie, maybe you should take your own advice, and stop saying he DID create the heavens and earth.
Originally Posted by Eusebius No, it cost God dearly, so how could it be selfish on His part? And Christ willingly went to the cross for you to undo all Adam did.
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G-d hates human sacrifice...
G-d says that no one may die for the sins of another, that each man shall die for his own sins.
"Question: "If God hates human sacrifice, how could Jesus’ sacrifice be the payment for our sins?"
"Answer: The Bible makes it quite clear that God hates human sacrifice. The pagan nations that
surrounded the Israelites practiced human sacrifice as part of the worship of false gods. God declared that
such “worship” was detestable to Him and that He hates it (Deuteronomy 12:31; 18:10). Furthermore,
human sacrifice is associated in the Old Testament with evil practices such as sorcery and divination,
which are also detestable to God (2 Kings 21:6). So, if God hates human sacrifice, why did He sacrifice
Christ on the cross and how could that sacrifice be the payment for our sins?" Quote found here: If God hates human sacrifice, how could Jesus' sacrifice be the payment for our sins?
But I don't agree with much else the above writer says on their web page concerning this.
Deu 12:31 You shall not act thus toward Yahweh your Elohim, for every abhorrence which Yahweh hates
they perform for their elohim, for even their sons and their daughters they burn with fire for their elohim.
Deuteronomy 18:10-11 There shall not be found among you one causing his son or his daughter to
pass through fire, or one divining divinations, or consulting clouds, auguring or enchantin. (11) or
charming with charms, one asking of a medium or wizard or inquiring after the dead.
If it is improper to say God did not, then it is also improper to say he did, as you have no proof. So, Eusie, maybe you should take your own advice, and stop saying he DID create the heavens and earth.
No, it is proper to say God created the heavens and earth because we have historic documents which tell us this. And these documents are true. Even common sense would tell you life doesn't come from non-life.
Jesus was made--lower than the angels while on earth-Heb 2:7-9)pure mortal. Jesus could do 0 of his own-John 5:30--- Gods power went through Jesus-Acts 2:22--- that means Jehovah is the one who did it all--but through Jesus.
This verse cooberates that:
1Co_8:6 nevertheless for us there is one God, the Father, out of Whom all is, and we for Him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through Whom all is, and we through Him."
No, it is proper to say God created the heavens and earth because we have historic documents which tell us this. And these documents are true. Even common sense would tell you life doesn't come from non-life.
In other words, "I believe these documents are true because these documents say they are true."
All you are doing is saying that YOUR opinion is true because you think it is, and everyone else's opinion is wrong and worthless. This is not only dishonest, but patently false. Between your confirmation bias, circular reasoning, and dishonesty, it is clear that you are either A) a troll, or B) too far gone.
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