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Old 01-19-2016, 04:26 AM
 
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Given how much wealth they took with them out of Egypt, I'm sure they had spare sets of clothes to change into. They weren't wearing the same clothes they left in all 40 years. Plus, with the hot climate in the region (presumably Mediterranean where they labored, and Sahara Desert if they ventured farther south), they didn't need many layers to begin with. Just a robe to cover up their bodies, and something to protect their heads and faces from the blowing sand. So whatever they had with them lasted a long time.

The Old Testament/Torah doesn't mention how the Israelites handled their clothes. It does, however, talk in detail about their food source in the desert: manna from heaven.
Exactly how much wealth does the Bible, or any other document, say they took with them out of Egypt? How many sets of sandals would be required to traverse the desert for 40 years and where did they get them? Or, is it simply a legend for which there is no evidence that it ever occurred?
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Old 01-19-2016, 04:43 AM
 
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Exactly how much wealth does the Bible, or any other document, say they took with them out of Egypt? How many sets of sandals would be required to traverse the desert for 40 years and where did they get them? Or, is it simply a legend for which there is no evidence that it ever occurred?
No sign of 'em at Kadesh Barnea where they were supposed to have camped for many years. No latrines, no corpses of those who must have died during that time. I'll go for the legend.
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Old 01-19-2016, 04:52 AM
 
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I gave you a compliment concern the cut and paste you provided from the article. Many apologists would've omitted the part where practical engineering makes the existence of these boats debatable, but you included the other side of the argument. That was the honest thing to do.

Do you realize what you are suggesting with your "surrounded by mountains" solution? If you expected the rain to fall ONLY in the valley, you might have an argument, however the rains that falls on the mountains, especially rain that would need to fall as hard as would be needed to produce a global flood in only 40 days, would run down the mountains with such a force that any structure would be demolished immediately. Being surrounded by mountains, the run off from all sides with the amount of sediment, would provide such a force when they met that nothing would survive. You need to think these scenarios thorough a bit before posting them.
It's worth remembering that in another thread a few years ago, Eusebius postulated that it didn't really take all that much water to flood the entire world because the mountain ranges weren't really very high at that time, but only grew later. (I guess all the geologists in the world got it wrong on that one.)
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Old 01-19-2016, 05:01 AM
 
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It's worth remembering that in another thread a few years ago, Eusebius postulated that it didn't really take all that much water to flood the entire world because the mountain ranges weren't really very high at that time, but only grew later. (I guess all the geologists in the world got it wrong on that one.)
Not all the geologists got it wrong.
But let's assume 99.99% of them got it wrong and only 1/10 of 1 % got it right. Is it not a fallacy to assume majority makes something right?
Such a scenario would fall under the fallacy of "argumentum ad populum" or "if everyone believes it, it must be right" fallacy.
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Old 01-19-2016, 05:11 AM
 
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I gave you a compliment concern the cut and paste you provided from the article. Many apologists would've omitted the part where practical engineering makes the existence of these boats debatable, but you included the other side of the argument. That was the honest thing to do.
Yes, I do understand it was a compliment. I was just expanding on the post that it wasn't like I was trying to hide something. Sorry if I posted that the wrong way. I should have included more info so as not to be taken wrong. I appreciate you stating that.

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Do you realize what you are suggesting with your "surrounded by mountains" solution? If you expected the rain to fall ONLY in the valley, you might have an argument, however the rains that falls on the mountains, especially rain that would need to fall as hard as would be needed to produce a global flood in only 40 days, would run down the mountains with such a force that any structure would be demolished immediately. Being surrounded by mountains, the run off from all sides with the amount of sediment, would provide such a force when they met that nothing would survive. You need to think these scenarios thorough a bit before posting them.
No one knows for sure if he built the ark surrounded by valley walls. If I were him I would have done it that way.

As the rains fall all over the earth, the level in the valley would be just as high as around the rest of the world especially with there being outlets in that valley so as the waters rose, the waters outside the valley would be the same as inside. I'm sure Noah figured it all out. Suppose he built the ark on a small hill inside the valley so as the waters and sediment came into the valley the sediment would situate around the hill. Again, this is what I would have done.
I have thought of most every scenario having studied these problems for many years now. He also could have used what is called a set anchor so the ark would go upward right above the set stone anchor to keep the ark from hitting the sides of the nearby hills. Archaeologist have found ancient set stone anchors for other ships.
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Old 01-19-2016, 05:24 AM
 
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Yes, I do understand it was a compliment. I was just expanding on the post that it wasn't like I was trying to hide something. Sorry if I posted that the wrong way. I should have included more info so as not to be taken wrong. I appreciate you stating that.



No one knows for sure if he built the ark surrounded by valley walls. If I were him I would have done it that way.

As the rains fall all over the earth, the level in the valley would be just as high as around the rest of the world especially with there being outlets in that valley so as the waters rose, the waters outside the valley would be the same as inside. I'm sure Noah figured it all out. Suppose he built the ark on a small hill inside the valley so as the waters and sediment came into the valley the sediment would situate around the hill. Again, this is what I would have done.
I have thought of most every scenario having studied these problems for many years now. He also could have used what is called a set anchor so the ark would go upward right above the set stone anchor to keep the ark from hitting the sides of the nearby hills. Archaeologist have found ancient set stone anchors for other ships.
So, approximately, how high were the mountains that would help float the ark?
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Old 01-19-2016, 08:07 AM
 
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So, approximately, how high were the mountains that would help float the ark?
I would merely be speculating. But they for sure were not nearly as tall as they are today.
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Old 01-19-2016, 08:43 AM
 
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Skip ahead to 36 minutes on this video where the lecture begins.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-BaMAt4dnE

This PhD archaeologist clearly shows the results of the world-wide flood of Noah's day.
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Old 01-19-2016, 08:57 AM
 
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Skip ahead to 36 minutes on this video where the lecture begins.

This PhD archaeologist clearly shows the results of the world-wide flood of Noah's day.
You might have more luck if you pinpointed the exact point in your pseudo-science where this astounding revelation is given. That will save those that are interested in having to sit through mind-numbingly boring tripe from morons that think the Earth is only 6000 years old.
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Old 01-19-2016, 08:58 AM
 
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I would merely be speculating. But they for sure were not nearly as tall as they are today.
'For sure' Is not speculation. It is stating a certainty. The burden of proof is on you. If you can only 'speculate' then it would be just as valid to speculate that they were even higher than they are now and have shrunk.
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