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Why are you even stirring this up? AA has helped more people get and stay sober than anyone, and it's the spiritual concept combined with support that makes it work. I got sober thru AA, so why try to bring controversy into this- are you a troll, or did you fail yourself at efforts to get sober?
most people who criticize AA......need it themselves
I agree wholeheartedly with bryan here
what is his personal experience with any of the above? How many AA meetings has he attended? What is his personal experience with working a program of recovery for addictions? how many counselors or psychologists has he talked to personally who work with treatment for addictions? What does he know about the success rate of programs such as Oxford House?
Moderator cut: We don't make medical diagnoses here in the R&S forums . the people who criticize AA the most are the ones who most need help themselves and virulently resist getting help for their own problems.
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Reason: Removing personal attack
what is his personal experience with any of the above? How many AA meetings has he attended? What is his personal experience with working a program of recovery for addictions? how many counselors or psychologists has he talked to personally who work with treatment for addictions? What does he know about the success rate of programs such as Oxford House?
Moderator cut: Quoted post edited . the people who criticize AA the most are the ones who most need help themselves and virulently resist getting help for their own problems.
Let's address this slowly, so we actually can get answers.
Do AA and AlAnon or do they not portray achoholism as a disease?
Last edited by mensaguy; 01-11-2016 at 07:40 PM..
Reason: Quoted post edited
Let's address this slowly, so we actually can get answers.
Do AA and AlAnon or do they not portray achoholism as a disease?
What exactly is your problem with AA? Does it matter if a person calls it a disease or a disorder? I have been trying to get my brother to go. The whole God thing may be triggering for him considering our background. They have AA Agostica. He doesn't want to quit so it's pointless right now anyway.
Let's address this slowly, so we actually can get answers.
Do AA and AlAnon or do they not portray achoholism as a disease?
what is your personal experience with any of the following:
how many hundreds of 12-step meetings have you been to? how many years in therapy have you had? how many therapists, counselors, or social workers have you worked with professionally who specialize in treatment and recovery for addictions? What is your medical or mental health background, training, expertise, credentials, licensing, schooling in the area of treatment of addictions? How many hundreds of AA meetings have you been to? How about NA or Al-Anon or OA? How many of your friends and loved ones are addicts, alcoholics? How many of your friends and loved ones are working an active program of recovery? How many times have people mentioned to you that they are concerned about your drinking? Have you ever sought help for your drinking problem, why or why not?
Last edited by Tzaphkiel; 01-11-2016 at 07:33 PM..
Why are you even stirring this up? AA has helped more people get and stay sober than anyone, and it's the spiritual concept combined with support that makes it work. I got sober thru AA, so why try to bring controversy into this- are you a troll, or did you fail yourself at efforts to get sober?
The track record and effectiveness of AA is scarcely beyond debate or controversy. It's been awhile since I researched it but one doesn't have to look far for the information.
If AA worked for you then it's not going to undo the benefit to look objectively at the question of what is the most effective way to conquer addiction or whether there are better ways. Right?
Do you, or the government, have a better solution for treating alcoholism? I havent seen one put forth. And having had some real life experience with alcoholics, I'm pretty sure I would have heard of it.
There are non-12 step programs out there.
There are other forms of support. There is dealing with root issues through therapy, etc.
At the end of the day, "any port in a storm" ... if AA works for someone I don't begrudge them that. But I don't see it as particularly effective, other than versus doing nothing or remaining in denial.
It seems to me that when it comes to addiction, OCD, and many other mental health issues, the most important thing is to Keep Moving and to Do Something, Keep Trying, etc.
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