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Old 02-07-2008, 01:59 PM
 
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How is materialism viewed in the Old and New Testament of the Bible? Is it considered a sin? What could be the danger in getting caught up in materialism on a personal level ?
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Old 02-07-2008, 02:23 PM
 
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Old 02-07-2008, 03:15 PM
 
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If materialism is a sin, why do so many "Christians" supporting giving the wealthiest Americans tax cuts, but oppose help and medical insurance to the poor?
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Old 02-07-2008, 04:23 PM
 
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If materialism is a sin, why do so many "Christians" supporting giving the wealthiest Americans tax cuts, but oppose help and medical insurance to the poor?
I often wonder this too. Many Christian Republicans feel that an individual is responsible for his/her well being and shouldn't rely on the state or the support of others. Their attitude is much more of a Darwinian "survival of the fittest" attitude than a "take my yoke upon you" attitude. It's strange.
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Old 02-07-2008, 04:27 PM
 
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If materialism is a sin, why do so many "Christians" supporting giving the wealthiest Americans tax cuts, but oppose help and medical insurance to the poor?
I'll just ignore the "sin" comment as IMHO it's just you being antagonistic and frankly it's a red herring to me.

The wealthiest Americans pay the highest percentage of the tax burden so lets get that in the open first. Tax cuts put more money in the hands of the people and not the government which is not a problem. Who do you think employs those "poor people" most of the time.

Oppose "help"? Define "help". LOL I'm all for helping an old lady across the street. I'm all for helping a single mother by mowing her lawn. What kinda help you talking about?

Against medical insurance for the poor? No, not really. Speaking for "this Christian" I simply think it's better left in the hands of the private sector and not the government. I dare say it's the governments intervention that has put insurance costs so high it's "out of the poors reach".

The truley destitute already have medical help through the government - this I am not opposed too. Those who are young, healthy and can work do not need a handout. They need a hand up.

Edit: I'd also forgot to add that conservatives (Not all Christians are as I'm SURE you realize) are generally not for "tax breaks for the rich" as you said but for lower taxes over all. Pretty much all your questions were loaded but I figured I'd reply anyway.

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Old 02-08-2008, 12:32 AM
 
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I often wonder this too. Many Christian Republicans feel that an individual is responsible for his/her well being and shouldn't rely on the state or the support of others. Their attitude is much more of a Darwinian "survival of the fittest" attitude than a "take my yoke upon you" attitude. It's strange.
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Old 02-08-2008, 12:45 AM
 
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not good. the golden calf action.
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Old 02-08-2008, 04:47 AM
 
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We need to make a distinction between rich and materialistic, the two things not always go together. You could be rich but not attached to material things and viceversa.

Nevertheless I wonder why in more than one occasion Jesus commented about rich people, one example being LK 18:24 "....How hard it is for the wealthy to enter the Kingdon of God".

What do you think He meant by that?
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Old 02-08-2008, 07:53 AM
 
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How is materialism viewed in the Old and New Testament of the Bible? Is it considered a sin? What could be the danger in getting caught up in materialism on a personal level ?

Thou shall not covet.... say's it all.

Of course most Christians understand this... but the trappings of the world are everywhere. We aren't very good at living a life free from "wanting". There is nothing wrong with having stuff (things for the gals), but when we believe we are entitled to stuff, for what ever reason (like from our hard work) ... we are in the trap. Observe the responses from the post... and see judgement from non believers who bring guilt into the equation. Why? because materialism will make a servant of those caught within it's snares. What choice do we have other than to accuse? to protect our own selfish needs? to lay blame upon those __________ fill in the blank. Job 15:6 Your own mouth condemns you, not I; your own lips testify against you.

Too often we live our lives just a bit cleaner, than the pigs we see. Does that make us "better"? cleaner? righteous? more anything? of course not. When we become a possession of the Father, all that we have becomes His... again. What we have now should reflect clearly to others His blessings upon us... not something we 'earned".

The opposite of materialism is contentment. Can a content person be an accuser? No....... it's an oxymoron.
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Old 02-08-2008, 08:10 AM
 
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Dave_n_Tenn: The opposite of materialism is contentment.

Excellent point, Dave, I agree with you totally. Thank you for this thought.

Materialism I think also a desire for(if you don't have) or an attachament to(if you have) material things so strong that in your heart there is no more space for other things. God, human relationships, enviromnent etc. they are all pushed out or they are in second place.
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