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There are multiple possible motivations for using labels. They can be used to otherize and dehumanize and demonize, or they can be used appropriately, and probably an infinite range of positions in between.
They can also be used as fodder for politically correct posturing. If I disagree with fundamentalist Christians for example, that says exactly zero about whether I think I'm "better" than them, and even less about whether or not I actually AM better than them. People are not their ideas and beliefs. We are discussing ideas and beliefs, not the worthiness or right to exist or right to believe of any PERSON.
Many people prefer to not have their beliefs challenged and those people probably shouldn't be in a forum like this where by its very nature they will have to think about the truth probabilities involved in their truth claims and argue for them using logic and valid evidence.
I know I should have never started this post, but I'm sick of all the so called labels people are given today. Guess it's the sign of the times and internet and massive population. So called christians telling me I'll burn in hell if I don't accept J.C. It's all so nuts.
We are all people, human beings. You gotta be christian, atheists are no good...good GRIEF...
I could care less what people practice re: religion, but take off the labels. geeeeeeez
On the contrary, I think there may be people who like, and proudly wear these labels. I know a few who are a proud Christian, a Muslim, a Jew and even an Atheist.
That's how someone people like to be identified - so for them, there is nothing wrong with it.
I do agree with you on the count that we have no right to judge anyone's faith and belief. This is absolutely wrong, arrogant and plain stupid to think that someone is "no good" because he does not have the same faith as I do!
However, our actions (no necessarily related to faith) could make a difference between putting us in the good camp or in "not so good" camp. For example, Mother Teresa and Mahatma Ghandi vs Hitler and Ted Bundy
On the contrary, I think there may be people who like, and proudly wear these labels. I know a few who are a proud Christian, a Muslim, a Jew and even an Atheist.
That's how someone people like to be identified - so for them, there is nothing wrong with it.
I do agree with you on the count that we have no right to judge anyone's faith and belief. This is absolutely wrong, arrogant and plain stupid to think that someone is "no good" because he does not have the same faith as I do!
However, our actions (no necessarily related to faith) could make a difference between putting us in the good camp or in "not so good" camp. For example, Mother Teresa and Mahatma Ghandi vs Hitler and Ted Bundy
We absolutely have the right, and sometimes even the obligation, to judge someone's faith and/or belief. If not, then how could we condemn the 9/11 hijackers?
I don't know of a Christian that takes his faith seriously who says that atheists are "no good". I'm sorry if you've been told that by someone claiming to be a Christian.
You really gotta get out beyond that Texas village. Interacting with those 10-15 people is limiting your world view.
There are multiple possible motivations for using labels. They can be used to otherize and dehumanize and demonize, or they can be used appropriately, and probably an infinite range of positions in between.
They can also be used as fodder for politically correct posturing. If I disagree with fundamentalist Christians for example, that says exactly zero about whether I think I'm "better" than them, and even less about whether or not I actually AM better than them. People are not their ideas and beliefs. We are discussing ideas and beliefs, not the worthiness or right to exist or right to believe of any PERSON.
Many people prefer to not have their beliefs challenged and those people probably shouldn't be in a forum like this where by its very nature they will have to think about the truth probabilities involved in their truth claims and argue for them using logic and valid evidence.
We absolutely have the right, and sometimes even the obligation, to judge someone's faith and/or belief. If not, then how could we condemn the 9/11 hijackers?
That's sort of off the topic but are you saying you belong to the group who believes 9/11 was an inside job? Are you saying you actually heard Larry Silverstein saying "pull it"?
That's sort of off the topic but are you saying you belong to the group who believes 9/11 was an inside job? Are you saying you actually heard Larry Silverstein saying "pull it"?
No, he's saying that judgments of the beliefs of others need to be made, for if they were not made, then there'd be no way of condemning the attacks of 7-11 (right, Donald) and other condemnable faith-inspired acts. How you read that comment as a possible indication of a belief in 9/11 being an inside job is beyond me
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