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Old 04-26-2016, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Boy your hatred of God has you so blind to truth. Satan most likely had a hand in creating every war in human history. He hates mankind so much that He works relentlessly in each person to chaos or fear even to a level of despair where suicide becomes an option. Satan is most certainly not the good guy.

If God created us then how can we be more moral than God? A bucket of water drawn from the well is not more pure than the water in the well.
Actually "god" of some sort has been involved in many, many wars in history--including the current one against ISIS.

Read some history for a change before making a comment.

"Got min uns" (God with us) read the belt buckles of the Waffen SS.
In just the Reformation Period here are the list of "religious" wars:
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Conflicts immediately connected with the Reformation of the 1520s to 1540s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

Of course "christians" have determined that a "Just War" is okay to fight--and God is on "our" side. Exactly what the Waffen SS were told. The doctrine of the Just War deceives people into thinking that because a war is just, it's actually a good thing.

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Old 04-26-2016, 02:48 PM
 
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Boy your hatred of God has you so blind to truth. Satan most likely had a hand in creating every war in human history. He hates mankind so much that He works relentlessly in each person to chaos or fear even to a level of despair where suicide becomes an option. Satan is most certainly not the good guy.

If God created us then how can we be more moral than God? A bucket of water drawn from the well is not more pure than the water in the well.


That would be all the wars before Christianity as the Jews have a totally different belief about Satan and if they were God's chosen people and followed the OT they must be right for that time period


Does Judaism Believe in Satan?


http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismb...liefsatan.html


Satan | Jewish Virtual Library


https://outreachjudaism.org/who-is-satan/


As this is not the Christianity forum and if I did believe in God it would most likely be the religion of my forbearers then this idea of Satan is just as correct as yours and he does not actually exist.
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Old 04-26-2016, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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The OP could use some of his energy to attempt to "fix" the problem with his own fundamentalism which is becoming alarmingly suicidal:

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The most stirring example of fundamentalism gone awry, involving the suicide of a California man who was under Bible-guided counseling, will be examined in a California Court of Appeals case in 1989. The man's parents have charged that leaders of his church contributed to their son's suicide because they rely too heavily on Scriptures, rather than mental health professionals, to counsel emotionally troubled believers.


The case of Kenneth Nally will mark the first full examination of the complex legal issues surrounding religion and mental health. But the fallout from the fundamentalist phenomenon has caused so much concern among psychotherapists that a ,growing number are already warning that extreme fundamentalism poses the same dangers as religious cults. This summer, at its annual convention, the American Psychological Association conducted its first panel discussion of fundamentalist-related disorders. Participants presented papers describing a range of emotional problems associated with extreme fundamentalism, including depression, loss of self-esteem, chronic feelings of guilt and social isolation.


"What I call New Fundamentalism has, in some cases, begun to cross over into unhealthy religion, to make people dysfunctional," says Dr. Wayne Oates, who directs the pastoral counseling center at the University of Louisville Medical Center. "I'm seeing it clinically in cases where people are exploited for money and for sex. They become disillusioned and then feel abandoned like a child. It can be a very debilitating thing."
The Price of Fundamentalism | Alicia Patterson Foundation

Dr. Oates is a Southern Baptist minister.
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Old 04-26-2016, 03:05 PM
 
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Actually "god" of some sort has been involved in many, many wars in history--including the current one against ISIS.

Read some history for a change before making a comment.

"Got min uns" (God with us) read the belt buckles of the Waffen SS.
In just the Reformation Period here are the list of "religious" wars:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

Of course "christians" have determined that a "Just War" is okay to fight--and God is on "our" side. Exactly what the Waffen SS were told. The doctrine of the Just War deceives people into thinking that because a war is just, it's actually a good thing.
So you are anti-God, anti-Bible and claim to be a Christian. Sorry, but you need to pick a side and stop straddling the fence.
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Old 04-26-2016, 03:11 PM
 
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So you are anti-God, anti-Bible and claim to be a Christian. Sorry, but you need to pick a side and stop straddling the fence.
Are you able to address the actual information this person posted?
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Old 04-26-2016, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Baldwin County, AL
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So you are anti-God, anti-Bible and claim to be a Christian. Sorry, but you need to pick a side and stop straddling the fence.
Seems to me he is "anti-fundamentalist". Believe it or not, you guys are the minority in your religion.


What about the article Warden posted? Can we now claim that fundamentalism ups the chance of suicide by using religion instead of mental health professionals to help people?
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Old 04-26-2016, 03:13 PM
 
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Are you able to address the actual information this person posted?
If people did things God's way, you know, love your neighbor, we wouldn't have ANY war.
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Old 04-26-2016, 03:16 PM
 
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If people did things God's way, you know, love your neighbor, we wouldn't have ANY war.
Your assertion was that Satan "had a hand in" many wars; in reality, the opposite - a STRONG belief in God/a strong religious affiliation - seems to have been true of many, many wars. You aren't addressing this; rather, you're taking things tangentially away from the question being asked.
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Old 04-26-2016, 03:22 PM
 
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Your assertion was that Satan "had a hand in" many wars; in reality, the opposite - a STRONG belief in God/a strong religious affiliation - seems to have been true of many, many wars. You aren't addressing this; rather, you're taking things tangentially away from the question being asked.

So what if they carried a religious banner? That doesn't mean they were not sold into a war by our sin nature which is suspectible to feelings of hate, angry, violence and particularly a desire for revenge. Satan exploits those feelings, hence He is responsible on some level.
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Old 04-26-2016, 03:29 PM
 
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If people did things God's way, you know, love your neighbor, we wouldn't have ANY war.
More people have been killed in the name of God than the Devil.
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