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Old 04-27-2016, 10:20 AM
 
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I applaud any true acts of charity that are unaccompanied by proselytism.
"“I’ve always said that I don’t respect people who don’t proselytize. I don’t respect that at all. If you believe that there’s a heaven and a hell, and people could be going to hell or not getting eternal life, and you think that it’s not really worth telling them this because it would make it socially awkward—and atheists who think people shouldn’t proselytize and who say just leave me along and keep your religion to yourself—how much do you have to hate somebody to not proselytize? How much do you have to hate somebody to believe everlasting life is possible and not tell them that?

“I mean, if I believed, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that a truck was coming at you, and you didn’t believe that truck was bearing down on you, there is a certain point where I tackle you. And this is more important than that.”


Penn Teller - vocal atheist
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Old 04-27-2016, 10:21 AM
 
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Great way to pocket undocumented and untaxed donations, huh Jeff?

Nothing like that goes on in the house of god though.
How do you think churches pay the bills?
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Old 04-27-2016, 10:28 AM
 
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How do you think churches pay the bills?
And their jets and their escapades and their mansions?

Wait for it.....

They're not true xians
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Old 04-27-2016, 10:45 AM
 
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And their jets and their escapades and their mansions?

Wait for it.....

They're not true xians
Always some snarky comeback.
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Old 04-27-2016, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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And their jets and their escapades and their mansions?

Wait for it.....

They're not true xians
You're confusing televangelists with the local pastor, who drives a Chevy.
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Old 04-27-2016, 10:56 AM
 
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You're confusing televangelists with the local pastor, who drives a Chevy.
Which ones doing it right?

Please show your work.
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Old 04-27-2016, 11:00 AM
 
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And their jets and their escapades and their mansions?

Wait for it.....

They're not true xians
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Always some snarky comeback.

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You're confusing televangelists with the local pastor, who drives a Chevy.

Nailed it sport.
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Old 04-27-2016, 11:17 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Is transparency part of that? It would appear not, for most of them.
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So you don't want separation of church and state anymore? You realize that it works BOTH ways? Keep your nose out of our business too.
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Have all the separation you (and the rest of us) want. But why should the rest of us as taxpayers have to subsidize your favorite hobby? How does looking for transparency actually have anything to do with separation of church and state. I mean, are you not just a teeny weeny bit concerned about where mosques might be getting their money from and where it is spent?
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Old 04-27-2016, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Nailed it sport.
You missed the point, on purpose I suspect.

There's more to the church than just charity. Like any organization, the church needs a place to meet and someone to lead. That costs money. The church also engages in worship and Bible study, which also has some costs associated.

Televangelists make big bucks in many cases by writing books. A great example is Joel Osteen. The pastor of the church on the corner of your neighborhood probably drives a Chevy, has a mortgage and maybe a second job.
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Old 04-27-2016, 11:22 AM
 
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You missed the point, on purpose I suspect.

There's more to the church than just charity. Like any organization, the church needs a place to meet and someone to lead. That costs money. The church also engages in worship and Bible study, which also has some costs associated.

Televangelists make big bucks in many cases by writing books. A great example is Joel Osteen. The pastor of the church on the corner of your neighborhood probably drives a Chevy, has a mortgage and maybe a second job.
are televangelist true Christians? The ones making big coin.
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