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And again we have the inevitable, "I knew him as a man of strong faith" statements from letters of support and character witnesses to the Judge in the Dennis Hastert trial.
Hastert was a serial abuser of boys, yet why once again do we get these phony and sanctimonious christians who talk about how the man is of faith, of god, what a wonderful human being he is etc. etc.
We don't ever see empathy for the victims from these christians, do we? Tom Delay's was one of the worst letters. We get this bovine scat word salad from him:
"...he started a biblestudy every Wednesday at lunch. It was just me and him and Charlie Wright (a pastor). It was a verypersonal time for the three of us. We held each other accountable and we studied God's word and
applied it to where we were at that moment. Nothing could have been more Intimate between us. So I
know his heart and have seen it up close and personal. We all have our flaws, but Dennis Hastert has
very few. He is a good man that loves the lord. He gets his integrity and values from Him. He doesn't
deserve what he is going through. I ask that you consider the man that is before you and give him
leniency where you can. Thank you."
He's a good man that loves the lord. Stuff it, you lying, convicted felon. How flippin' christian of you. But again, there will be those who think Delay is right.
You have a strange attraction to pedophile cases. What's up with that?
The Muslims in Bangladesh just killed more gays AGAIN. It is actually a crime to be gay there...as is even speaking out against Islam. Google, "Muslims tie boy to pole and beat him to death in Bangladesh". Thousands of things like this are standard by them.
But you keep focus on the pedophiles. Telling.
You have a strange attraction to pedophile cases. What's up with that?
The Muslims in Bangladesh just killed more gays AGAIN. It is actually a crime to be gay there...as is even speaking out against Islam. Google, "Muslims tie boy to pole and beat him to death in Bangladesh". Thousands of things like this are standard by them.
But you keep focus on the pedophiles. Telling.
I don't know about the "telling" part except that this is one particular crime that does get highlighted a lot so it's seen easily, and it may be of particular disgust to cupper...I'm disgusted by it myself, I do consider it HIGH up there on the list of "how in the nine frozen hells could anyone ever do such a thing?" list.
I won't speak for cupper, though, he's a grownup and all that.
With that said: Maybe merge these threads? "The Official Church Child Molestation News Thread" or summat?
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Maybe he's not doing a great job at making his point, but if you go beyond the surface, there is an underlying theme here. It's actually been the same underlying theme that he's had in many of his posts, yet it's never been addressed properly from my persecution. It's an issue that many Christians have a hard to reconciling with their faith.
The theme is that Christianity does not actually do anything to promote good or moral behavior.
Let me be very clear about what I'm saying. I am NOT saying you cannot be a good person and be a Christian. Do not twist what I'm saying in to that and don't take anyone seriously (obviously hyperbole, always take them seriously but if they aren't making a valid point, dismiss it as nonsense) who tries to say otherwise. I'm also not saying that acting in a Jesus like way isn't moral. That's not the issue.
The issue is that, outside the abstract threat of Hell, what reason does anyone have to be good? Especially when simply believing in something is usually all that one has to do. Everyone sins, which is a fair view that many religions hold, but Christianity is weird in that nothing actually needs to change except to believe in Jesus. This is very unique, and a smart marketing campaign actually.
And it's not that people are taught that sin doesn't matter because of Jesus. But what they are ultimately taught is that Jesus is the solution to sin, and if you do sin, you just need to believe harder. Contrast that to Eastern philosophy and religion where proper introspection and change are not just valued, but prescribed as the cure for bad behavior. Jesus, as portrayed in scripture, is a fantastic role model. He has his views but ultimately will treat anyone with respect and dignity. No one can argue that this is not good. But why is seeing him as the son of god often all that is required in the eyes of so many?
And no, of course not every Christian who falls victim to this problem is going to become a child molester. But let's just contrast this to Eastern philosophy again. If Hastert were not in a religion that simply valued faith, would he have done this. If instead of believing a lot in something, he took time to look introspectively at his pedophilia, since he obviously has that as a sexual orientation or attraction or whatever and there is nothing that will make that just go away, but could a different philosophy that mandated introspective thought and self improvement have taken him to a place where he valued the conditions of others enough to not act on his desires in this way? Had he been in a religion that didn't simply just value faith and forgiveness and redemption through faith alone, but rather one that demanded he be critical of himself in a constructive way, would the outcome have been different?
The underlying issue is that it seems the concept of faith in Jesus or God is not in anyway enough to prevent people from behaving badly.
Thank you for outlining it in a much more cerebral manner than my admittedly in your face manner, but it is the only way I see in getting some people to understand the harm that their blind faith is doing. Over and over again we see transgressions that make the normal person repulsed, yet we see some, and only some, but it is usually the ones that are the most fervent fundamentalists, who defend and will not see the problem.
It's a sad situation that the perpetrators are given more allowance than the victims ever get from those fundamentalists.
I don't know about the "telling" part except that this is one particular crime that does get highlighted a lot so it's seen easily, and it may be of particular disgust to cupper...I'm disgusted by it myself, I do consider it HIGH up there on the list of "how in the nine frozen hells could anyone ever do such a thing?" list.
I won't speak for cupper, though, he's a grownup and all that.
With that said: Maybe merge these threads? "The Official Church Child Molestation News Thread" or summat?
I don't know about that JerZ. I'm worried about what might happen.
Duggar, Hopper, Hastert, etc...all in one place?!
cupper may not be able to handle that all at once...and pass right out!
We might need to bring VIC back to help him cope.
You have a strange attraction to pedophile cases. What's up with that?
The Muslims in Bangladesh just killed more gays AGAIN. It is actually a crime to be gay there...as is even speaking out against Islam. Google, "Muslims tie boy to pole and beat him to death in Bangladesh". Thousands of things like this are standard by them.
But you keep focus on the pedophiles. Telling.
Do the Muslims in Bangladesh even speak English? What greater good could it possibly do for him to ignore ranting about the evil produce of Christians right here, right now?
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You have a strange attraction to pedophile cases. What's up with that?
The Muslims in Bangladesh just killed more gays AGAIN. It is actually a crime to be gay there...as is even speaking out against Islam. Google, "Muslims tie boy to pole and beat him to death in Bangladesh". Thousands of things like this are standard by them.
But you keep focus on the pedophiles. Telling.
And I suspect your perspectives are somewhat, shall we say, 'fluid' considering your 'profession' and that the younger a female appears to be in porn, the better for your profit and bottom line.
Maybe he's not doing a great job at making his point, but if you go beyond the surface, there is an underlying theme here. It's actually been the same underlying theme that he's had in many of his posts, yet it's never been addressed properly from my persecution. It's an issue that many Christians have a hard to reconciling with their faith.
The theme is that Christianity does not actually do anything to promote good or moral behavior.
Sure it does. I've seen it in my own life, and the life of others. But you and the others are complaining that every yahoo that claims the name of Jesus isn't a perfect angel. Great. I get that. God never promised we would be. But in time, behavior does follow if a person's faith is real.
No. Reporting child abuse never "gets old". These men, these Christian men need to be exposed along with their holier than thou religiosity.
It is the new Hastert Rule.
I'm willing to bet that there are even more cases of school teachers out there having sex with students. So with your reasoning, I guess that means we should trash all school teachers or do away with them.
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