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Please explain what the difference is and how you make this determination.
Have you sinned since becoming a Christian? If yes, how can you consider yourself to still be a Christian, but not a person like Hastert? What are the specific differences in your mind?
Of course I've sinned. The remorse I feel in my heart and hatred for my sin proves the fact that I am a Christian. I don't see that same remorse in a guy that could repeatedly commit the crime he did.
Yes. A few letters were written calling him a good guy. Do you think those letters represent all of Christianity?
Did you read what I've written several times saying I do not believe this issue represents all of Christianity?
You seem fixated on "protecting the mother ship" here rather than protecting children. To the point, I guess, that you're not even able to actually read the posts you're responding to, you're seeing just that much red.
Although I am sure you're a good person who wouldn't hurt a child, I am equally sure that individuals such as Hastert are very, very, very grateful for individuals such as yourself who help to provide that very cloak they need and who deflect brilliantly away from their misdeeds.
Did you read what I've written several times saying I do not believe this issue represents all of Christianity?
You seem fixated on "protecting the mother ship" here rather than protecting children. To the point, I guess, that you're not even able to actually read the posts you're responding to, you're seeing just that much red.
You've said that twice now. Yet, you then continue to bash Christianity. So I DO believe you think it represents all of Christianity.
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Although I am sure you're a good person who wouldn't hurt a child, I am equally sure that individuals such as Hastert are very, very, very grateful for individuals such as yourself who help to provide that very cloak they need and who deflect brilliantly away from their misdeeds.
I've never defended him, and state that he is not a Christian. I also have stated numerous times on these boards that a guy like him would never be allowed to be alone with a kid in my church (no adult is).
There's a difference between falling into sin and making a habit of diving into heinous sin habitually.
And where exactly is that difference?
Where's the cutoff line?
How many times?
And how sorry for one's sin, each time?
Who makes those determinations? You? God is going to be very surprised to hear that!
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I don't see that same remorse in a guy that could repeatedly commit the crime he did.
You have a window into people's hearts? And magically, when you're remorseful it's for real, but when the next person is remorseful, it's not? Based on what you'd do or not do if you were remorseful?
You have a lot of God-ly talents, Vizio. You can determine who's "a real Christian" and who isn't and indeed, who "never was," you can see directly into people's souls and judge how valid their remorsefulness is. Tell us the truth...ARE you God? Because if so, maybe I'd be smart to stop arguing with you. I don't want a lightning bolt.
Who makes those determinations? You? God is going to be very surprised to hear that!
You have a window into people's hearts? And magically, when you're remorseful it's for real, but when the next person is remorseful, it's not? Based on what you'd do or not do if you were remorseful?
You have a lot of God-ly talents, Vizio. You can determine who's "a real Christian" and who isn't, you can see directly into people's souls and judge how valid their remorsefulness is. Tell us the truth...ARE you God? Because if so, maybe I'd be smart to stop arguing with you. I don't want a lightning bolt.
I've told you -- it is based on the remorse a person has.
Having said that, you and others have used this to trash Christianity. The problem I have with you doing that is that Christianity does not teach us to do this. Nowhere. So the fact is, this guy was showing that he was not following the teachings of the religion.
I've told you -- it is based on the remorse a person has.
According to God?
And again. Who's determining how much remorse a person actually has (not how much s/he is showing in various specific ways that resonate with any one specific individual, such as yourself)? You? You have a window into people's souls and are qualified to judge?
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If you detect glee that's on you. I think you may be projecting. Something to think about.
I don't think every Christian is like this man or that pedophilia is what Christianity teaches, so don't be silly. I mean really.
YOU should perhaps make.it less personal and all about "the important thing here is to protect Christianity (basically)" - because no, the important thing is to stop allowing religion to be a cloak that protects child rapists. It's not all about you, Viz.
Nailed it.
THIS is the crux of the whole issue. We get such a plethora of these cases, and yet people like Vizio, and he is by far not the worst, look at it as an attack on their religion. No, it's an attack on the cloak you describe, and it is disgusting.
THIS is the crux of the whole issue. We get such a plethora of these cases, and yet people like Vizio, and he is by far not the worst, look at it as an attack on their religion. No, it's an attack on the cloak you describe, and it is disgusting.
I look at YOU gleefully making post after post, day after day, as the attack -- not this nitwit and the sheeple that naively support him. I do fault the people for supporting him, but I will again point out that you cannot condemn the religion for the actions of people that are not actually following what the religion teaches. You apparently seem unable or unwilling to grasp that point.
Sure it does. I've seen it in my own life, and the life of others. But you and the others are complaining that every yahoo that claims the name of Jesus isn't a perfect angel. Great. I get that. God never promised we would be. But in time, behavior does follow if a person's faith is real.
Just because some people do turn out quite good with their Christian faith does not mean it's evidence that the way Christianity is taught is an efficient way of promoting good behavior.
What I was saying is that Christianity tends to place more moral weight on faith and intention than actual action. While the abstract threat of Hell doesn't really make an appearance until the NT, the way to become a pious person seems to just be about faith. People can do terrible things, but as long as they repent, there is no real problem.
It's obvious he has no real point other than to try to sling mud.
I have found that often in life the one slinging the mud is usually the very one guilty of doing the very thing they accuse others of doing.
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God is going to be very surprised to hear that!
