Colorado Supreme Court Rules You Can't Cite Religion For Not Baking A Cake (pray, evolution)
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The benefits to society is that gays and lesbians are treated the same as everyone else and they are able to legalize their commitment to each other as well as to obtain the benefits and responsibilities that any other married couple obtain.
If you do not think that there is any benefit to this is it because you do not think that gays and lesbians deserve an equal place in society?
No, you have to consider the additional regulations on businesses that the government would have to enforce if this went through.
I have nothing against the general LGBT community, and would serve them in my own business; but the punishment for not serving them should come from the customers and lack thereof, not from the government.
No, you have to consider the additional regulations on businesses that the government would have to enforce if this went through.
I have nothing against the general LGBT community, and would serve them in my own business; but the punishment for not serving them should come from the customers and lack thereof, not from the government.
That is fine if you think that discrimination against any minority should be legal. The market place does not work for unpopular minorities and bigotry may actually be rewarded.
The marketplace is the right place for many things and ideas, I personally do not think it is the right place to decide rights and freedoms. Yours could always be taken away at anytime through an agresive campaign, unless you are part of a majority. The marketplace had no trouble with whites only lunch counters.
There are already anti discrimination laws governing business. Applying it to gays and lesbians means changing a couple of words in those laws and counties, states and countries have already done so.
It wasn't that long ago that Christianity had a strong influence in our country. Most of us are smart enough to question ideas that don't make sense, and we began to question the Bible instead of blindly following ancient superstitions. Calling homosexuality immoral just because it says so in the Bible, doesn't make sense. Treating women as chattel, just because the Bible tells you to, doesn't make sense. Keeping slaves, just because the Bible tells you it is OK, doesn't make sense. How dare you call the mistreatment of minorities the moral thing to do. Thank goodness we have evolved as a country!
Suicide has increased and the spread of dangerous diseases like HIV as a result of your "evolution". BTW, the notion that all people are equal is straight out of the Bible. Christians played a significant role in abolishing slavery and civil rights.
Suicide has increased and the spread of dangerous diseases like HIV as a result of your "evolution". BTW, the notion that all people are equal is straight out of the Bible. Christians played a significant role in abolishing slavery and civil rights.
Thanks, jeff.
Daily, I'm quite certain, your posts help people find the greater truths and moral values that can be found outside of your particular primitive, shallow, doomed-to-extinction brand of Christianity.
No, you have to consider the additional regulations on businesses that the government would have to enforce if this went through.
I have nothing against the general LGBT community, and would serve them in my own business; but the punishment for not serving them should come from the customers and lack thereof, not from the government.
That doesn't work.
Oh, I know the reverential worshippers of Adam Smith's 'invisible hand' will assert otherwise, but there's a reason that it took the Civil Rights Act to eliminate various forms of overt commercial discrimination. Restaurants and hotels and myriad other forms of business that had a 'blacks in the back' policy (if they even served blacks at all) absolutely thrived for many decades. And they were still thriving when the Civil Rights Act was implemented, with no sign that the magic free-market was going to change anything any time soon.
With that line of thinking, why not allow restaurants to serve tainted food? Or manufacturers of dangerous products to peddle those dangerous products? Or incompetent physicians to practice? The free-market would solve those problems in such a wonderful regulation-free panacea as that... right?
That is fine if you think that discrimination against any minority should be legal. The market place does not work for unpopular minorities and bigotry may actually be rewarded.
The marketplace is the right place for many things and ideas, I personally do not think it is the right place to decide rights and freedoms. Yours could always be taken away at anytime through an agresive campaign, unless you are part of a majority. The marketplace had no trouble with whites only lunch counters.
There are already anti discrimination laws governing business. Applying it to gays and lesbians means changing a couple of words in those laws and counties, states and countries have already done so.
Denying people a good or service should not be a violation of their rights or freedom. It is the business owners right and freedom to deny doing business with anyone they want. It is also the customers right and freedom to go out and tell people that the business owner wouldn't do business with them because they are X, Y, and Z. If enough humans decide not to do business with the business owner, then that person would either have to change how they operate, or fade from existence.
The issue I have is that people want the government to force bigots to do business with everyone. All this does is result in society blindly supporting a bigot. I guess I am an odd duck in the fact that I would like to know that the guy I am purchasing a cake from is a flaming pile of S.
That is fine if you think that discrimination against any minority should be legal. The market place does not work for unpopular minorities and bigotry may actually be rewarded.
The marketplace is the right place for many things and ideas, I personally do not think it is the right place to decide rights and freedoms. Yours could always be taken away at anytime through an agresive campaign, unless you are part of a majority. The marketplace had no trouble with whites only lunch counters.
There are already anti discrimination laws governing business. Applying it to gays and lesbians means changing a couple of words in those laws and counties, states and countries have already done so.
Fair point. I concede.
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Originally Posted by Unsettomati
That doesn't work.
Oh, I know the reverential worshippers of Adam Smith's 'invisible hand' will assert otherwise, but there's a reason that it took the Civil Rights Act to eliminate various forms of overt commercial discrimination. Restaurants and hotels and myriad other forms of business that had a 'blacks in the back' policy (if they even served blacks at all) absolutely thrived for many decades. And they were still thriving when the Civil Rights Act was implemented, with no sign that the magic free-market was going to change anything any time soon.
With that line of thinking, why not allow restaurants to serve tainted food? Or manufacturers of dangerous products to peddle those dangerous products? Or incompetent physicians to practice? The free-market would solve those problems in such a wonderful regulation-free panacea as that... right?
I could argue that rights to refuse service is not at all the equivalent to rights to offer service that cause danger to the general public. I don't think that's a good argument, but I'm okay with retracting my statement. I think Badlander's point of this being the equivalent to refusing blacks service at lunch counters adequately contests my arugment.
Could blacks have setup shop and offered their own lunch counters? Maybe, but it could be dangerous and it could also be near impossible. If that holds true for the LGBT community, then I would agree that there should be protection for them as far as equal service is concerned.
If there are a substantial amount of bakers who will offer service to the LGBT community, then I stand by my previous argument.
Suicide has increased and the spread of dangerous diseases like HIV as a result of your "evolution". BTW, the notion that all people are equal is straight out of the Bible. Christians played a significant role in abolishing slavery and civil rights.
Will calling homosexuality an abomination decrease suicide, and HIV? Yes Christians played a significant role in civil rights by trying to stop interracial marriage, and same-sex marriage, that's a nice claim to fame. If you follow the Bible you are given no incentive to end inequality, as seen by your posts.
I could argue that rights to refuse service is not at all the equivalent to rights to offer service that cause danger to the general public. I don't think that's a good argument, but I'm okay with retracting my statement. I think Badlander's point of this being the equivalent to refusing blacks service at lunch counters adequately contests my arugment.
Could blacks have setup shop and offered their own lunch counters? Maybe, but it could be dangerous and it could also be near impossible. If that holds true for the LGBT community, then I would agree that there should be protection for them as far as equal service is concerned.
If there are a substantial amount of bakers who will offer service to the LGBT community, then I stand by my previous argument.
Suicide has increased and the spread of dangerous diseases like HIV as a result of your "evolution". BTW, the notion that all people are equal is straight out of the Bible. Christians played a significant role in abolishing slavery and civil rights.
Your own thread showed that suicide is around the same rate as when prayer was banned in schools. Christians played a big part in abolishing slavery but also a big part in maintaining it as at that time just about everyone was a Christian. It was also Christians who opposed the Civil Rights movement. When both sides are Christians you cannot take the credit without the blame.
Have no idea how you can blame the spread of HIV on evolution. If you are calming it is a gay disease that has nothing to do with evolution.
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