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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
cupper you are bitter, angry, upset, and filled with hate
all the time
the word that comes to mind is "unhinged"
you marinate and burn in the toxic venom generated by your own ugly bitterness.
if you really care about your kids and family, then get professional help
I will rail, expose and publicize hypocrisy involving religion every time I become aware of it, you bet.
I will rail, expose and publicize the damage and maliciousness that religion perpetuates every time that occurs and I become aware if it, you bet.
I will rail, expose and publicize the demonstrated long term negative effects that religion has perpetrated on children that haunts them into adulthood because of the fundamentalist attitudes of their parents every time that happens, you bet.
You're free to ignore that as that is your free option. Just don't think that it is not happening.
You may prefer to emulate these great ape cousin of ours:
I will rail, expose and publicize hypocrisy involving religion every time I become aware of it, you bet.
I will rail, expose and publicize the damage and maliciousness that religion perpetuates every time that occurs and I become aware if it, you bet.
I will rail, expose and publicize the demonstrated long term negative effects that religion has perpetrated on children that haunts them into adulthood because of the fundamentalist attitudes of their parents every time that happens, you bet.
You're free to ignore that as that is your free option. Just don't think that it is not happening.
You may prefer to emulate these great ape cousin of ours:
Yet, you ignore the good done by religion, such as hospitals, universities, disaster relief, etc.
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
Yet, you ignore the good done by religion, such as hospitals, universities, disaster relief, etc.
I'll acknowledge those when presented. However, we expect that if an organization says they will do one thing, that they actually live up to that. I expect the NRA to defend the 2nd Amendment, I expect the Red Cross to provide disaster relief, and I expect religion to do good, not bad.
Every single time I see the bad, I will point it out. Every single time. Why? Because it needs to be done, so that people start seeing hypocrisy when it occurs. More and more understand that now.
Don't like it? Fix your system that filters out the bad then. It is not up to atheists to do that, it is up to those who are religious. I suspect you're going to have a tough time of it though. The most religious states have the highest teen age pregnancies, the most wife battering, the most porno addictions and the most liquor abuse. And if one looked, probably the most meth addicts.
I'll acknowledge those when presented. However, we expect that if an organization says they will do one thing, that they actually live up to that. I expect the NRA to defend the 2nd Amendment, I expect the Red Cross to provide disaster relief, and I expect religion to do good, not bad.
Every single time I see the bad, I will point it out. Every single time. Why? Because it needs to be done, so that people start seeing hypocrisy when it occurs. More and more understand that now.
Don't like it? Fix your system that filters out the bad then. It is not up to atheists to do that, it is up to those who are religious. I suspect you're going to have a tough time of it though. The most religious states have the highest teen age pregnancies, the most wife battering, the most porno addictions and the most liquor abuse. And if one looked, probably the most meth addicts.
Funny thing that, doncha think?
No, you're a bitter, hate-filled person pointing out the 1 or 2% of what actually happens!
cupper you are bitter, angry, upset, and filled with hate
all the time
the word that comes to mind is "unhinged"
you marinate and burn in the toxic venom generated by your own ugly bitterness.
if you really care about your kids and family, then get professional help
Says the person who believes in imaginary friends, world wide floods, talking donkeys and snakes, people being turned into pillars of salt, a man living in a whales stomach for several days, zombie Jesus, and all sorts of other things that if you said you saw recently would land you in the nuthouse.... I'm just saying...
Being from an area that goes through multiple natural disasters every year and having lived through numerous natural disasters myself I'm here to tell you that believers often say "I'll pray for you" AND do something besides pray. They/we donate money, volunteer with the Red Cross/ Salvation Army/Mennonites/LDS/Catholic Charities, help people evacuate their horses and animals, help neighbors evacuate, check on elderly/handicapped neighbors, pass out coffee and sandwiches, give shelter to total strangers..... We do this alongside atheists, Buddhists, Mormons, Hindus and none-of-the-above's. No one asks religious affiliation. No one cares.
Many times the people doing this have suffered great loss themselves.
I don't know how it's done in Alberta, but in So Cal whenever there is a fire or earthquake or mudslide it is impossible to NOT know how to donate/help. TV/radio stations and social media constantly stream info on where and how to help. They also stream info on how and where to evacuate and where food and clothing is available and where victims can get vouchers for motel rooms.
Thankfully, I've not known one atheist, in all of the natural disasters I've witnessed, who complained about people praying when thousands of people are evacuating because the hills are on fire and houses are going up like matchboxes. Congratulations. You're the first one. SMH.
The folks at the church I attend are doing work all over the community. Much of it pretty sweaty stuff. Helping elderly and disabled people clean their yards, taking them to medical spots, etc, and these people don't belong to the church either. I'm disabled myself, and I volunteer at the regional hospital, helping work with young people who've had life changing injuries. Having been through that when I was 18 myself, and I know how they feel and how hard it is to see a life ahead when you've lost a limb or had some other debilitating trauma.
Why should people post what they have done other than pray? They've nothing to prove. To cupper, or anyone else. So, if you offer prayers, it is then prerequisite you must tell how much you've donated or done to physically help, and if you don't you're being pious? Pious, or just humble? The OP sounds bitter, and presumptuous. The judgementalism raises my eyebrows..
OP,et me ask this....how many folks are out there who aren't even offering a prayer, and just saying better them than me? Where's the contempt and ire for them? You're .misguided, bitter and off base here,directing all this bile at people offering prayer, especially since there is no way of known v what else they've done, or are doing, to help people in need. That's booking horns into folks who , quite possibly, have done as much or more than you, yourself. Just because they don't itemize these things with an offering of prayer spent mean they haven't given much much more. To them, doing so may seem like bragging, and a lack of humility. Ain't no way to tell.
Unless, of course, you have some uplink to God that we don't know about. The piousness here could very well be yours.DewDrop makes so.e good points here with the quoted post. And kudos to that.
The folks at the church I attend are doing work all over the community. Much of it pretty sweaty stuff. Helping elderly and disabled people clean their yards, taking them to medical spots etc, and these people dong belong to the church either. I'm disabled myself, and I volunteer at the regional hospital, helping work with young people who've had life changing injuries. Having been through that when I was 18 myself, and I know how they feel and how hard it is to see a life ahead when you've lost a limb or had so.e other debilitating trauma.
Why should people post what they have done other than pray? They've nothing to prove. To cupper, or anyone else. So, if you offer prayers, it is then prerequisite you must tell how much you've donated or done to physically help, and if you don't you're being pious? Pious, or just humble? The OP sounds bitter, and presumptuous. The judgementalism raises my eyebrows..
OP,et me ask this....how many folks are out there who aren't even offering a prayer, and just saying better them than me? Where's the contempt and ire for them? You're .misguided, bitter and off base here,directing all this bile at people offering prayer, especially since there is no way of known v what else they've done, or are doing, to help people in need. That's booking horns into folks who , quite possibly, have done as much or more than you, yourself. Just because they don't itemize these things with an offering of prayer spent mean they haven't given much much more. To them, doing so may seem like bragging, and a lack of humility. Ain't no way to tell.
Unless, of course, you have some uplink to God that we don't know about. The piousness here could very well be yours.
I think you are missing the point NV, at least for me.
Praying has no measurable effect, and saying you are going to pray on social media certainly doesn't have an effect. It would be much more helpful if they were to post links to the Red Cross or other organizations that are helping. I don't think anyone is saying, "Don't pray at all", they are simply saying, "How about instead of boasting online about how you are going to pray, you do something that will actually help the people."
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Originally Posted by NVplumber
The folks at the church I attend are doing work all over the community. Much of it pretty sweaty stuff. Helping elderly and disabled people clean their yards, taking them to medical spots, etc, and these people don't belong to the church either. I'm disabled myself, and I volunteer at the regional hospital, helping work with young people who've had life changing injuries. Having been through that when I was 18 myself, and I know how they feel and how hard it is to see a life ahead when you've lost a limb or had some other debilitating trauma.
Why should people post what they have done other than pray? They've nothing to prove. To cupper, or anyone else. So, if you offer prayers, it is then prerequisite you must tell how much you've donated or done to physically help, and if you don't you're being pious? Pious, or just humble? The OP sounds bitter, and presumptuous. The judgementalism raises my eyebrows..
OP,et me ask this....how many folks are out there who aren't even offering a prayer, and just saying better them than me? Where's the contempt and ire for them? You're .misguided, bitter and off base here,directing all this bile at people offering prayer, especially since there is no way of known v what else they've done, or are doing, to help people in need. That's booking horns into folks who , quite possibly, have done as much or more than you, yourself. Just because they don't itemize these things with an offering of prayer spent mean they haven't given much much more. To them, doing so may seem like bragging, and a lack of humility. Ain't no way to tell.
Unless, of course, you have some uplink to God that we don't know about. The piousness here could very well be yours.DewDrop makes so.e good points here with the quoted post. And kudos to that.
Prayers do nothing but make you feel good that you have talked to the voice you think is in your head. Seriously, they do nothing, so stop pretending that they do.
What helps is donations to the Red Cross, which governments are matching 2-1, what helps is volunteering like the young Metis group that got their community to donate and are giving free gas to stranded motorists, free diapers for evacuees and free water. What helps are people like my son who volunteered and worked for almost 48 hours straight setting up the Emergency Response center, with no face mask and fires all around him. Ask me if I was concerned. What helps is airlines like WestJet having 12 planes lined up at a private airfield one of the oil sand plants has, flying out evacuees. What helps are the numerous companies that are donating food, supplies, transportation, accommodation (the largest landlord in the area is offering free rent for 3 months). That is what helps, not talking to some space fairy.
If those posting the prayer memes instead would have posted the Red Cross donation information, at least their two minutes posting would have been useful. As it is, it just was frankly, useless except for their own sense of "there, I am a social media slacktivist".
About a dozen years ago a brush fire started near our house. SOP in L.A. is to use a garden hose to wet down your roof and property since everything is usually tinder dry and the winds spread the embers. I was home and smelled the smoke. Went outside and saw the fire was headed for our neighborhood. 911 calls. I manned one hose and my son another. The neighbors were doing the same. Lots of shouting and warning other neighbors of the fire.
I started, as I tend to do during these things, praying out loud. When it jumped the spot where the firefighters were I prayed, loudly, "Dear God.....Please let a chopper get here quickly. We need a water drop."
The fire was about 50 yards from our house when the chopper came and dropped several hundred gallons of water.... right on my head. The force of the water knocked me onto my butt. I got soaked....and it put out the flames.
Not only does God answer prayers....He seems to have a sense of humor.
(You may now ask why God saved our neighborhood but not the homes of the Canadians. Or the thousands of Californians who have lost homes in massive fires. Here's my answer: I have no idea.)
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