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For some bad people to AVOID doing bad things, religion helps them as a deterrent.
Many people try to suppress their sinful and/or immoral wishes BECAUSE OF RELIGION. They may or may not be worried about local laws or fellow humans - but they try to avoid sins and evil acts in the love and respect of God.
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And you remember this!
For MANY people intent on evil, RELIGION is also permission to do evil in the name of god.
Guy said he was so proud , which means he was self-righteous, as God resist the proud , and God would never tell a proud man to be selfish ..... See being proud is idolatry to God
What if a CHRISTIAN MAN or group established a free medical clinic for disables or for those without health insurance? What would you call it? "Ohh you don't have to be a Christian to do this"
You are right, but guess what? RELIGION AND/OR GOD, DOES NOT, DOES NOT, and DOES NOT, tell its followers to do immoral and/or SINFUL THINGS. It's a known and well understood piece of knowledge.
It's the each and every individual who brings whatever he has, to the religion -
PUHLEEAASSEEE use some common sense for a change and try to understand that religion is NOT to be blamed as the source of evil or immorality. It's THE INDIVIDUAL PERSON who brings whatever he has TO the religion.
Maybe, but TOO MANY followers believe that RELIGION wants them to do STUPID immoral and sinful acts and they refuse to bake a simple cake, fix someone's car or serve them water.
RELIGION really does NOT tell idiots how to act, idiots have that already figured out by their NATURE.
Guy said he was so proud , which means he was self-righteous, as God resist the proud , and God would never tell a proud man to be selfish ..... See being proud is idolatry to God
But he still says he loves god and that god wanted him to do this and that by doing such stupidity he proved his love for god...No way we can doubt that..
What a dirt bag. What a Christian, isn't he? I mean, he, like Abraham, listened to Gawd.
His words after he left the disabled woman at the side of the road:
"Something came over me, I think the Lord came to me, and he just said get in the truck and leave," said Ken Shupe of Shupee Max Towing in Traveler's Rest, S.C.. "And when I got in my truck, you know, I was so proud, because I felt like I finally drew a line in the sand and stood up for what I believed."
Even though the woman in the accident had a disabled sticker on her car, he refused, claiming he didn't know till later, but his decision would be the same.
Seriously you post anything you can in your attempts to discredit Christ.
From the article you posted..
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Shupe , who supports presumptive Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, said his decision on the side of the interstate this week was more about business than politics.
He believes Bernie Sanders supporters are socialists, and says he's had problems with two customers over the last six months who supported Bernie Sanders. He said they caused him problems over paying their bills.
"I've had some horrible experiences in the last six months with towing cars for this mindset individuals, in that I don't get paid. They want to argue about a $50 tow bill, and it turns into just a drama and a fuss. And I said, you know, I'm not going to associate with them, and I'm not going to do any business with them," Shupe said.
"I'm really not interested in doing business with that clientele," he said of Sanders supporters."
So the issue ultimately is BUSINESS not even politics or the Lord.
Just because some guy claims he was led by the Lord to do this does in no way discredit the existence and reality of God.
All it does is confirm there are misguided individuals of all religious affirmations in life. None of this is new information.
This is exactly my point that I have been talking for years.
Between the Athiests and believers, the question is NOT "whether God exists or not?"
The question is how Atheist and believers can co-exist in harmony to join forces and work together towards the betterment and greater benefit of humanity - INSTEAD OF - wasting our time, energy and resources to engage in mud slinging and hosing down contests -
Whether man was created by God or whether man came from monkey? Whether God exists or not? Whether there is an after life or not? Whether we are accountable to God or not? whether the entire universe and everything in it, came together by chance or not? etc
These arguments when turned into quarrels, and ugly sarcasm, do NOT benefit anyone - so better stick to whatever you believe and don't object on what others believe.
See how can you (whether Atheist or a believer) can work with each other on a positive endeavor to benefit humanity.
I agree. The 'moral code' argument (and indeed the evolution argument) is actually irrelevant to whether the god -claim (and/or the Bible) deserves belief or not. But in fact it is used repeatedly as a reason why atheism is bad and religion is good - not because of the evidence or rationale, but because of the supposed moral and social benefits that accrue from being a religious society rather than humanist.
That's why we do get counters to that ongoing polemic though posting the misdeeds of people who profess Christianity. Then, of course, we either get this person hastily banished from Christianity and his misdeeds wished (by implication) on atheism, or we suddenly hear the 'well it really makes no difference to whether it is true or not' argument. Though I'll say, Cardinals (and it's one reason I see promise) few Christian apologists would think it through, that far.
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Shupe , who supports presumptive Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, said his decision on the side of the interstate this week was more about business than politics.
He believes Bernie Sanders supporters are socialists, and says he's had problems with two customers over the last six months who supported Bernie Sanders. He said they caused him problems over paying their bills.
"I've had some horrible experiences in the last six months with towing cars for this mindset individuals, in that I don't get paid. They want to argue about a $50 tow bill, and it turns into just a drama and a fuss. And I said, you know, I'm not going to associate with them, and I'm not going to do any business with them," Shupe said.
"I'm really not interested in doing business with that clientele," he said of Sanders supporters."
So the issue ultimately is BUSINESS not even politics or the Lord.
No, not at all. Business is being used as a specious excuse for immoral behavior.
Do you seriously believe that one can legitimately detect financial irresponsibility by identifying someone as supporting Sanders? That's utter nonsense. This is simply confirmation bias applied to business rather than to religion ... but made easier for religious businesspersons because the religious are used to succumbing to it. Two -- TWO! -- allegedly deadbeat customers in six -- SIX! -- months are THOUGHT to be Sanders supporters and suddenly this becomes a justification for not servicing someone with a Sanders campaign sticker? How many Sanders supporters did they unknowingly service who paid their bills without incident? I'll bet that never even occurred to them; after all, many Sanders supporters don't put bumper stickers on their cars.
The logical unsupportability of that aside, how does a Sanders bumper sticker accurately reflect the ideology of the driver? How do you know they are even the owner of the car? Maybe they are borrowing their kid's car. Maybe they supported Sanders, now think better of it, and haven't gotten around to scraping off the sticker. Maybe they just bought the car from a Sanders supporter.
This is stupid on so many levels that it's hard to know where to start.
So no, this is NOT legitimately a business concern, even remotely.
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Originally Posted by Mikelee81
Just because some guy claims he was led by the Lord to do this does in no way discredit the existence and reality of God.
Has anyone remotely suggested that it does? What it discredits is the moral claims of Christianity. Not totally, because I'm sure most tow truck drivers who are white southerner Trump supporters would probably not pass up making a buck exactly BECAUSE it's even sweeter extracting it from the Hated Other -- and some might even be good people despite their religion and not give it a second thought. BUT -- at the very least it outs some who claim to be transformed by Christ as liars and hypocrites of the first order.
To my knowledge that's all anyone is saying and it's an entirely and objectively valid point. You would be better off owning it and agreeing that this behavior is despicable and counter to everything that Christianity should stand for, than to try to explain it away.
No, not at all. Business is being used as a specious excuse for immoral behavior.
Do you seriously believe that one can legitimately detect financial irresponsibility by identifying someone as supporting Sanders? That's utter nonsense. This is simply confirmation bias applied to business rather than to religion ... but made easier for religious businesspersons because the religious are used to succumbing to it. Two -- TWO! -- allegedly deadbeat customers in six -- SIX! -- months are THOUGHT to be Sanders supporters and suddenly this becomes a justification for not servicing someone with a Sanders campaign sticker? How many Sanders supporters did they unknowingly service who paid their bills without incident? I'll bet that never even occurred to them; after all, many Sanders supporters don't put bumper stickers on their cars.
The logical unsupportability of that aside, how does a Sanders bumper sticker accurately reflect the ideology of the driver? How do you know they are even the owner of the car? Maybe they are borrowing their kid's car. Maybe they supported Sanders, now think better of it, and haven't gotten around to scraping off the sticker. Maybe they just bought the car from a Sanders supporter.
This is stupid on so many levels that it's hard to know where to start.
So no, this is NOT legitimately a business concern, even remotely.
Has anyone remotely suggested that it does? What it discredits is the moral claims of Christianity. Not totally, because I'm sure most tow truck drivers who are white southerner Trump supporters would probably not pass up making a buck exactly BECAUSE it's even sweeter extracting it from the Hated Other -- and some might even be good people despite their religion and not give it a second thought. BUT -- at the very least it outs some who claim to be transformed by Christ as liars and hypocrites of the first order.
To my knowledge that's all anyone is saying and it's an entirely and objectively valid point. You would be better off owning it and agreeing that this behavior is despicable and counter to everything that Christianity should stand for, than to try to explain it away.
Regarding the bold in your long winded rebuttal, no what it does is ATTEMPTS to discredit the moral claim of Christianity.
Just because a person does things in the name of the Lord does not mean that the Lord condones the action. We are all imperfect people Christians included. True Christians only know our condition and need for Christ.
There's not a lack of people in life doing things in the name of their ideology that is misguided. It doesn't mean the ideology is incorrect.
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