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Old 05-14-2016, 01:52 PM
 
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Religion doesn't need proof. That's why they're big on faith.

You're easy to convince - a trait of the religious perhaps?
No, I'm not religious at all. Religion is the enemy of true Christianity. I am a believer.
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Old 05-14-2016, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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No, I'm not religious at all. Religion is the enemy of true Christianity. I am a believer.
Yep, I use to hear that one a lot.

A relatively minor difference in my opinion.

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Old 05-14-2016, 01:55 PM
 
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But there was never any mention of him in the OT. It clearly says in the OT that there is only one God. No mention of the holy trinity. God never said "I am three". He said "I am one" as in "I am the one true God".
Psa 110:1 A Davidic Psalm The averring of Yahweh to my Lord:Sit at My right Until I should set Your enemies as a stool for Your feet.

There is Yahweh and He said to Jesus: Sit at My right until I should set Your enemies as a stool for Your feet."

Jesus is David's lord and David lived long before Christ was born of Mary. Therefore Jesus was alive before being born of Mary. To be the Lord of David, Jesus had to be alive while David was alive. Get it?
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Old 05-14-2016, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Psa 110:1 A Davidic Psalm The averring of Yahweh to my Lord:Sit at My right Until I should set Your enemies as a stool for Your feet.

There is Yahweh and He said to Jesus: Sit at My right until I should set Your enemies as a stool for Your feet."

Jesus is David's lord and David lived long before Christ was born of Mary. Therefore Jesus was alive before being born of Mary. To be the Lord of David, Jesus had to be alive while David was alive. Get it?
Nice one!

However, can we be sure the Lord at the Lords right hand was Jesus?

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1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
Does that sound like Jesus? Killing and wounding? Making the enemies into foot stools?
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Old 05-14-2016, 03:21 PM
 
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Nice one!

However, can we be sure the Lord at the Lords right hand was Jesus?


Does that sound like Jesus? Killing and wounding? Making the enemies into foot stools?
The enemies are anything that keeps mankind from God being All in all such as death being one of the enemies.

Yes, we are assured it is Jesus at the right hand of God.
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Old 05-14-2016, 03:25 PM
 
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Jesus at the right hand of God.
Most New Testament scholars today maintain that Jesus himself was a failed apocalyptic prophet who expected an imminent end to the world (see Matthew 24:34).
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Old 05-14-2016, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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The enemies are anything that keeps mankind from God being All in all such as death being one of the enemies.

Yes, we are assured it is Jesus at the right hand of God.
That seems like a little interpretation gymnastics to make a poem say what you want it to mean. In my opinion, a bible literalist should read the bible as written. The verse mentions two lords, not the son of God or Jesus or even the son of man. I'm not accepting your interpretation that one of the lords refers to Jesus.

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Most New Testament scholars today maintain that Jesus himself was a failed apocalyptic prophet who expected an imminent end to the world (see Matthew 24:34).
This makes a lot of sense. I have wondered whether he actually planned his own execution! I've read some say he may have been a Zealot (noun). It seems to me he was indeed and in both senses of the word.

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Old 05-14-2016, 03:50 PM
 
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Most New Testament scholars today maintain that Jesus himself was a failed apocalyptic prophet who expected an imminent end to the world (see Matthew 24:34).
"most" "scholars" - you mean the ones who are quoted the most on Wikipedia, a
secular, Jewish censorship cartel.
additional restrictions apply, such as omitting the opinions of scholars from 33% of the world's
population who are Christian.
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Old 05-14-2016, 04:01 PM
 
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"most" "scholars" - you mean the ones who are quoted the most on Wikipedia
No, I meant most New Testament scholars just as I stated.
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Old 05-14-2016, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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"most" "scholars" - you mean the ones who are quoted the most on Wikipedia, a
secular, Jewish censorship cartel.
additional restrictions apply, such as omitting the opinions of scholars from 33% of the world's
population who are Christian.
When 'opinions' get wacky then we can expect them to get excluded. Wikipedia tries hard to be factually correct and wacky doesn't cut it.
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