How Christian is this? Church keeps 1/2 of donated millions, saying "Donors didn't say it was to go to viticms" (Christianity, Christians)

[cupper3]

Originally Posted by DewDropInn

Uh, huh. Being told what we "need" to do by someone who has set himself up as some kind of moral authority and fountain of wisdom.

The OP is proof the fundamentalists aren't the only people who think they can boss everyone around. Personally, since I have a working brain and the ability to choose and make decisions, I'm not especially interested in being lectured about what I "need" to do by someone.....anyone....so filled with ego and hubris he/she thinks he can tell me what I "need" to do.

I will, however, ask for help when necessary. But I make it a point to never ask the self-appointed blowhards who volunteer unsolicited orders and advice because they don't like something.

Perfect. Then I assume you will never be part of the many, many commentators on all sides of the spectrum who have told Muslims that it starts with them the fight against Islamic terrorists.

Or would you?

[cupper3]

Originally Posted by TroutDude

Nope. Doesn't really matter the thread.

It's you I don't like. You have a mean, dark spirit. Very much akin to Muslim and Christian fundamentalists.

I concur. I am very fundamentalist about hypocrisy that shows itself so often, and will always highlight it. If that steps on your toes, oh well. It still doesn't make the hypocrisy right. As I have often stated, I attack ideas. I don't attack the person, even if they richly deserve it. Now, kisses, and hope you feel better.

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by cupper3

I concur. I am very fundamentalist about hypocrisy that shows itself so often, and will always highlight it. If that steps on your toes, oh well. It still doesn't make the hypocrisy right. As I have often stated, I attack ideas. I don't attack the person, even if they richly deserve it. Now, kisses, and hope you feel better.

I didn't feel poorly.

Your perspective is really askew.

[Mightyqueen801]

Originally Posted by cupper3

It seems that many christians call on muslims to stop their miscreants, seems only logical that christians stop theirs, or at the very least shame them, rather than support them.

I don't see much of that happening.

That's because you don't know any Christians well personally or are involved in their world, or you would see it happening, plus you specifically look for the opposite, and frankly, people doing good doesn't make the news. What about the youth pastor in my mother's town who was caught with young-teen porn on the church computer? He was turned in to the police by the members of his own church, and went to prison for possession of child porn. Of course, it was a local NJ story, so you wouldn't hear of that.

What about the would-be Subway Bomber in NYC? He had the materials, fertilizer, nine backpacks and nine cell phones, ready to plant nine bombs in the subway, but his own imam from his mosque turned him in to NYPD's Terrorism force. That was in the news. Yeah, the imam subsequently tipped Zazi off that the police were on to him and got himself deported for that, but still, Zazi was arrested and plead guilty and the bombings didn't happen.

Your focus is on money and misuse of funds, but what about other, less tangible problems within the church? When they address them, do you give them their props?

The General Convention of the Episcopal Church

You say you are conservative, so I guess you won't be interested in one of the T-shirts being sold by one of our local churches for their gay pride event, huh?

http://christchurchshrewsbury.org/wp...deWeekend1.jpg

One of my friends is selling the T-shirts. She is Jewish and white and married to a Haitian woman who was raised Catholic. I bet THAT hurts your brain.

[Mightyqueen801]

Originally Posted by cupper3

Perfect. Then I assume you will never be part of the many, many commentators on all sides of the spectrum who have told Muslims that it starts with them the fight against Islamic terrorists.

Or would you?

You are REALLY asking this of DEWDROPINN????? One of the most open-minded Christian posters on this forum?

Do you ever actually read other people's posts and have a sense of who they are as people--or do you just see "Believer" and assign all sorts of imagined characteristics to them based on the limits of what you know from your "environments"? Have you truly not ever met any Christians other than those of the fundamentalist stripe?

I read your post about Alberta and the Creation Museum, and I giggled at the idea that such a place even exists. Most Christians I know would. Yet you seem to think that the type of people who would set up a Creation Museum are the norm. OR...do you just pretend to think that so as to provide the excuse you need to trash Christians?

Serious questions for you to ponder. I am not attacking you. And I AM pointing out the dangers of lumping a group together as a them just because of a label.

As you are aware unless you've been hiding under a rock, I am a 9/11 WTC survivor. That day happened because of the type of thinking you demonstrate. That's why I argue against perpetuating this "THEY ARE EVIL" mindset.

[cupper3]

Originally Posted by TroutDude

I didn't feel poorly.

Your perspective is really askew.

See, there you go again. Attacking the person, not the idea.

So, perhaps you can elicit for our dear readers what you find "askew". Is it the subjects? The frequency of the occurrences? Or that I report on the subjects and frequencies?

[Mightyqueen801]

Back to the OP--what specifically is the outrage about, actually? It seems to be that some relatives are complaining that the money should have all gone to the families of the victims...but it's not as though they are using the money for air-conditioned doghouses and trips to the Caribbean or something or that the church leaders are pocketing the money. Building improvements...probably needed--all churches have "wish lists" of things they want to do to their buildings. I can see questioning that if they are trying to do something over the top as opposed to fixing a roof or replacing a sidewalk. A scholarship fund? How is that not a good thing? A memorial to the victims? Eh...nice, but not necessary if there's a more immediate need, and that is something that can be done on a smaller scale anyway.

These relatives who are complaining--do we know that THEIR motives are clean? What if brother-of-dead-guy was hoping this was a way to get a new car?

Anyway, this goes back to last year. It specifically says this particular fund was set up for burial expenses, and any other funds GO TO THE CHURCH.

City Of Charleston Steps Up To Help Victims' Families In A Big Way

Donations are streaming in to two funds established by the city. The first, called the Mother Emanuel Hope Fund — named for the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, commonly known as “Mother Emanuel,” where the violence occurred — will provide the victims’ families with financial support for funeral and burial expenses. The fund will give any remaining money to the AME Church in Charleston.

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by cupper3

See, there you go again. Attacking the person, not the idea.

So, perhaps you can elicit for our dear readers what you find "askew". Is it the subjects? The frequency of the occurrences? Or that I report on the subjects and frequencies?

Now you're being especially dense.

I was referring to your "kisses" to make me feel better.

And yes, you are an extremely unlikable person as well as a one-trick bore.

[DewDropInn]

Originally Posted by cupper3

Perfect. Then I assume you will never be part of the many, many commentators on all sides of the spectrum who have told Muslims that it starts with them the fight against Islamic terrorists.

Or would you?

You're VERY good at diverting attention from yourself when you've been called out.

[cupper3]

Originally Posted by TroutDude

Now you're being especially dense.

I was referring to your "kisses" to make me feel better.

And yes, you are an extremely unlikable person as well as a one-trick bore.

Well, sorry to that you feel your cornflakes were urinated in. I'm sure if you take two aspirins, sleep it off, you will be better in the morning. Now, try and debate issues, not personalities. Adults do that.