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Old 05-19-2016, 11:32 AM
 
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If we're inherently evil and it's OK to murder infants, then I guess every murder is fine. Is that your position?
umm.....what?
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Old 05-19-2016, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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umm.....what?
You've said many a time we're worthless sinners undeserving of life. And the godling you worship obviously thinks likewise.

So, why duck Petunia's question?
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Old 05-19-2016, 11:37 AM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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umm.....what?
Isn't that what you are saying here...

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Do you believe that we are only evil because of what we do? Is it possible that we DO things because we're evil?

The bible says we are all sinners -- none of us seek after God, and none of us are righteous.
that we're inherently evil? You said this in direct response to my question

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Were the infants of the Amalekites evil?
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Old 05-19-2016, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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So our nature is determined by our actions? So a bad guy cannot do good? Or a good guy cannot do something bad?
Good, bad and evil are all relative terms. Nobody is born evil.

Someone can't be evil, if they haven't done anything evil.
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Old 05-19-2016, 11:50 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Google is a great tool. Took me roughly 4 seconds to find one.

Seattle man tests transgender rule by undressing in women's locker room
A) where was the pedophilia in this case? He was not arrested by the way, that tells you something.

B) I've pointed out that while I have no objection to trans people being in a bathroom, I have a HUGE objection to allowing a penis bearer into a women's change room. The man in this case I have no doubt was making the point that the bylaw was stupid and harmful, and I think it is. I also have a huge objection for a vagina bearing person in a men's change room for the same reason.

So to sum up, bathroom, who cares. Locker/change room, we all should care.
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Old 05-19-2016, 11:52 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Do you believe that we are only evil because of what we do? Is it possible that we DO things because we're evil?

The bible says we are all sinners -- none of us seek after God, and none of us are righteous.




There's your problem right there. The Koran says you can lie to non-believers. Does that make it right?
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Old 05-19-2016, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Good, bad and evil are all relative terms. Nobody is born evil.

Someone can't be evil, if they haven't done anything evil.
Evil, stripped of its theological assertions, is simply doing stuff that is harmful to others or collectively to society. That has to do with actions. You can not be guilty of something when you are born a tabula rasa with respect to your actions in the world and at that point lack even the ability to understand why something is harmful or how to avoid it. After all the law of god is transmitted via language and you have neither language nor literacy at that point. Nor can you be responsible for the acts of others, including your ancestors.

Recognizing this, fundamentalists don't really claim a child who has not reached their contrived "age of accountability" is guilty of evil, but has an evil nature that guarantees that they will eventually reach the "age of accountability" in such a way that they have sins to account for at and beyond that point.

After that righteousness is literally "right-ness", right thinking rather than right actions. It must be so, because Christians manifestly continue to sin, but are forgiven based not on their actions but on having the correct faith-based belief in the correct savior.
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Old 05-19-2016, 11:54 AM
 
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Good, bad and evil are all relative terms. Nobody is born evil.

Someone can't be evil, if they haven't done anything evil.
How do you know that? Why should I take your word for it?
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Old 05-19-2016, 11:55 AM
 
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You've said many a time we're worthless sinners undeserving of life. And the godling you worship obviously thinks likewise.

So, why duck Petunia's question?
I asked Petunia for clarification. I'd like to see her response. If I said it I'm not going to duck it--I'm not averse to the truth.
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Old 05-19-2016, 11:57 AM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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I asked Petunia for clarification. I'd like to see her response. If I said it I'm not going to duck it--I'm not averse to the truth.
I've already responded. Which part is unclear?
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