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Old 06-23-2016, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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...and Jesus was an actual person, an incredible philosophical mind, and the most notable and influential human to ever live.
Influential?? 2/3 of the world have no interest whatsoever in the Christian mythical man-god.
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Old 06-23-2016, 10:36 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I believe that Yahweh is a metaphorical character...and Jesus was an actual person, an incredible philosophical mind, and the most notable and influential human to ever live.
That is no different than what an atheist might believe. Yahweh is a myth. And Jesus is not the Son of God, but obviously a very influential person.

So, is pantheism really just a form of atheism?
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Old 06-23-2016, 11:11 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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I was Atheist for my entire adult life until a few years ago...so I "relate" better to that concept. And though I am not (nor ever been) Religiously inclined...I have no problem or issue with what anyone believes or has Faith in.

It is not a matter of "caring" if Yahweh or Jesus are "real" for me.
I believe that Yahweh is a metaphorical character...and Jesus was an actual person, an incredible philosophical mind, and the most notable and influential human to ever live. But all that is just my opinion.

As with Mystic, it is surprising just how much we do agree on. Or at least have no quarrel about.
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Old 06-23-2016, 02:21 PM
 
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Influential?? 2/3 of the world have no interest whatsoever in the Christian mythical man-god.
Yes, correct. A full third. Few even come close. Most people are pretty much nuthin'.
I didnt say "Christ"...I said "Jesus".
Most polls rate Jesus the most influential man ever.
You make it sound lkie he's just some Schmo.
He's typically top of the list. Him and Muhammad.
Those that get all mentally irregular by that fact, notwithstanding.
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Old 06-23-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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That is no different than what an atheist might believe. Yahweh is a myth. And Jesus is not the Son of God, but obviously a very influential person.

So, is pantheism really just a form of atheism?
No...it is the total opposite of Atheism.
Instead of, "No God At All"...it's, "All Is God"
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Old 06-23-2016, 02:33 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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No...it is the total opposite of Atheism.
Instead of, "No God At All"...it's, "All Is God"
Do you believe that the entire universe is a sentient being that thinks and is consciously aware of itself?
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Old 06-23-2016, 02:48 PM
 
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Do you believe that the entire universe is a sentient being that thinks and is consciously aware of itself?
Possible...I'm not sure. Now you are getting into what I might "believe" rather than what I "know".
Well, actually, everything is "Belief" and based on "Faith"...no knowledge, data, or info is infallible. Nothing is "for sure".
I am very certain it is sentient to the degree that it has sentient components.
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Old 06-23-2016, 03:06 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Possible...I'm not sure. Now you are getting into what I might "believe" rather than what I "know".
Well, actually, everything is "Belief" and based on "Faith"...no knowledge, data, or info is infallible. Nothing is "for sure".
I am very certain it is sentient to the degree that it has sentient components.
Does the universe answer our prayers, incarnate itself into human form, give us wisdom or eternal life in heaven, or anything else that theists believe God gives humans?
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Old 06-23-2016, 04:47 PM
 
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Does the universe answer our prayers, incarnate itself into human form, give us wisdom or eternal life in heaven, or anything else that theists believe God gives humans?
Based on the questions you asked...I can tell that you are mired down in a "Religious Deity" rut.
"GOD", to me, is "ALL THE ENERGY/MATTER THAT EXISTS AND HAS EXISTED". Thus...everything that has been done or occurred, ever, in the entire Universe ( including any "multiverses"), is done by and through GOD, and IS GOD.
Is ALL and does ALL...that's as "Godly" as it gets. It's "The All God Show" all the time! And I revere it as such.
So, you name it...it is done by GOD, and IS GOD.
As per my perception.
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Old 06-23-2016, 04:49 PM
 
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Do you believe that the entire universe is a sentient being that thinks and is consciously aware of itself?
Our entire reality is comprised of what enables sentience - whatever it is we call consciousness. Our awareness is a manifestation of the process of its reproduction.
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