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Sorry for typing errors my wife had a six vein bypass and just got to her recovery room from ICU . My dog had a ruptured
tumor and my daughter blew out her ACL and MCL (odd and weird day). Very tired.
Thought appears to be an emergent quality of a sufficiently complex brain. I realize that this is simply a description, and not an explanation. Similarly, I do not have an explanation for what appears to be our moral agency, or how our mental intent appears to control the physical, at least as far as our bodies are concerned.
I freely admit that I do not know.
I also do not create a god-concept to explain it, or result from it. That us where you seem to make your mistake. You are adding god for no good reason that I can see.
Wrong. "That we know of" is correct. God IS the sentient life in the universe and everything else. There is no separate anything.That is like saying we are no more intelligent than a single neuron in our brain. Silly. You are familiar with the whole is greater than the sum of its parts? What is your evidence that there was no Consciousness? Consciousness is a field and everything in our reality is simply comprised of myriad manifestations of field. Very anthropocentric thinking. Much of your objection is based on unprovable premises about our reality.
Every single item you claim here is an unprovable premise . You have no proof any intelligent life exists higher than humans , you have no proof that the collective intelligence of all life results in a superior more-than-the-sum-of -its-parts God intelligence , you have no proof of your much claimed consciousness field , you simply have no proof of anything you claim .
Deal with this one thing . Was God conscious and did God have an intelligence in the early first million or so years of the universe when it was almost certain no life of any kind existed ?
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God is defined by very notable things he is alleged to have done. Thanks to the Bible, we have a remarkably detailed list right in the first chapter of Genesis:
- God created the heavens and the earth.
- He brought forth light.
- He separated day from night.
- He created the sky.
- He separated land from the seas.
- He created plants and trees.
- He created the sun, moon and stars and attached them to the sky.
- He created sea creatures, birds and land animals.
- He created human beings.
Now, I submit to you that there is not any person in history who has seen or detected a God or any other spirit being who creates these things. This account is completely based on the imaginations and oral traditions of ancient people who believed in such a spirit being.
Amusingly, you are basing your disbelief in God on something written in the Bible as if it were meant to be taken literally--just like fundamentalists base their belief in who God is by taking what the Bible says literally. If you've been on this forum more than an hour, you are aware that there are many Christians here who are not literalists, and you sure as hell know that Mystic is not a literalist. Therefore, your response to him with a "neh neh, what Genesis says can't be proven" is nonsensical. Of course it can't. It's a poem.
Thought appears to be an emergent quality of a sufficiently complex brain. I realize that this is simply a description, and not an explanation. Similarly, I do not have an explanation for what appears to be our moral agency, or how our mental intent appears to control the physical, at least as far as our bodies are concerned.
I freely admit that I do not know.
I also do not create a god-concept to explain it, or result from it. That us where you seem to make your mistake. You are adding god for no good reason that I can see.
Amusingly, you are basing your disbelief in God on something written in the Bible as if it were meant to be taken literally--just like fundamentalists base their belief in who God is by taking what the Bible says literally. If you've been on this forum more than an hour, you are aware that there are many Christians here who are not literalists, and you sure as hell know that Mystic is not a literalist. Therefore, your response to him with a "neh neh, what Genesis says can't be proven" is nonsensical. Of course it can't. It's a poem.
So, if God didn't do the things listed in Genesis chapter 1, then what did God do exactly? Is all religion just a poem?
Note that, until fairly recently, the vast majority of Christians believed that Genesis chapter 1 was a literally and historically true account.
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So, if God didn't do the things listed in Genesis chapter 1, then what did God do exactly? Is all religion just a poem?
Note that, until fairly recently, the vast majority of Christians believed that Genesis chapter 1 was a literally and historically true account.
Why is there a need for a god having magical entities invented by the fairy tales of a bronze aged, itinerant, superstitious and ignorant bunch of desert goat herders sitting around their campfires?
So, if God didn't do the things listed in Genesis chapter 1, then what did God do exactly? Is all religion just a poem?
Note that, until fairly recently, the vast majority of Christians believed that Genesis chapter 1 was a literally and historically true account.
But that is only one God.
I have read the opposite, that in Medieval times Christians viewed the Bible as allegorical. I do not remember whwre I read it but it was in more than one place. If I am mistaken please ignore as going on memory of what I read.
So, if God didn't do the things listed in Genesis chapter 1, then what did God do exactly? Is all religion just a poem?
The Christian God of the Bible -- which is actually just the made-up tribal god of the Hebrews -- didn't do a bloody thing. A non-existent entity cannot directly affect the real world much less create one. Almost every tribe of every point on earth has a creation myth; the Hebrews were no different.
There's simply no reason to assume that one tribal god really exists while all the rest of them are bunk.
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Note that, until fairly recently, the vast majority of Christians believed that Genesis chapter 1 was a literally and historically true account.
There are still far too many Christians who continue to believe that Genesis 1 is an historically true account. That just goes to show us all that reality doesn't stand a chance against a good story.
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But that is only one God.
I have read the opposite, that in Medieval times Christians viewed the Bible as allegorical. I do not remember whwre I read it but it was in more than one place. If I am mistaken please ignore as going on memory of what I read.
Was it Cantor's book? My copy is down in Florida right now so I can't check, but it is an amazing book about how much the Church influenced, and in some cases held back, civilization in the Middle Ages.
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