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As an atheist, it is clear to me that Bible God's morality is like human's morality. It changes over time and it is situation-specific. Any Christians want to dispute this?? We can start off with polygamy sanctioned by God at one time.
As an atheist, it is clear to me that Bible God's morality is like human's morality. It changes over time and it is situation-specific. Any Christians want to dispute this?? We can start off with polygamy sanctioned by God at one time.
As we know,the excuse is that God had to go along with the customs of the time. This is the excuse used with the condoning of slavery. This excuse does not hold water and the God was apparently issuing orders that went against the customs of the time. It is hard to avoid the conclusion that what he did not order the Israelites not to do was what he condoned.
And if He changed his views it was indeed to keep pace with the changes in society. And when the society changed altogether from Jewish God -worship to Greek God - Christianity, why then the orders also changed.
And the same is happening today, when the battles against women priests and Gay marriage are lost, then God's instructions change to keep pace wih them.
The conclusion is obvious: we make God in our own image, and remake him and what he approves of as necessary.
As an atheist, it is clear to me that Bible God's morality is like human's morality. It changes over time and it is situation-specific. Any Christians want to dispute this?? We can start off with polygamy sanctioned by God at one time.
Texan didn't say "commanded". He said "sanctioned".
Do you realize those are two different things?
Perhaps it would make more sense to Viz if you used words like "condoned". He's afraid he'll "condone" homosexuality if he doesn't decry it as sin. Well ... god didn't decry polygamy as sin. Thereby, he condoned it. He certainly didn't declare slavery to be sinful; he even gave instructions how to correctly go about being a slaveowner. So ... god condones slavery too. Something that horrifies mere human conscience today. Funny thing, that.
As an atheist, it is clear to me that Bible God's morality is like human's morality. It changes over time and it is situation-specific. Any Christians want to dispute this?? We can start off with polygamy sanctioned by God at one time.
Of course this assumes that the whole Bible is communications FROM God rather than contradictory perceptions OF God by humans,
Hint: there is no such thing as a "Biblegod." God was revealed by Jesus to be spirit and love (which means a concern for the overall well-being of the ones loved, including their spiritual development). I think God is more interested in process than in results and WHAT happens to us is far less important than how we deal with it.
Perhaps it would make more sense to Viz if you used words like "condoned". He's afraid he'll "condone" homosexuality if he doesn't decry it as sin. Well ... god didn't decry polygamy as sin. Thereby, he condoned it. He certainly didn't declare slavery to be sinful; he even gave instructions how to correctly go about being a slaveowner. So ... god condones slavery too. Something that horrifies mere human conscience today. Funny thing, that.
Nicely categorized. What he condoned then he supposedly regards with horror, now. What he denounced then (Gays, for instance) he condones now. Bible authority is a guide to nothing. Why even the all important Sabbath was dismissed by Jesus as less important than doing good or even taking a stroll in the county. And apart from a few efforts to enforce a Sabbath (on a different day) on us since then, that is the view now. God's requirements and approval has changed to keep pace with human preference.
I think that is one of the best arguments for Humanism. God clearly wants humans to decide how best to live, and just send him a memo and he'll update his views, opinions and requirements accordingly.
There's a difference between allowing something to exist vs approving of it. You realize that, right?
Yes. It's called either powerlessness if you can't give the orders or hypocrisy if you can.
Epicurus
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
As an atheist, it is clear to me that Bible God's morality is like human's morality. It changes over time and it is situation-specific. Any Christians want to dispute this?? We can start off with polygamy sanctioned by God at one time.
yeah, there is no "static" thought. To have an "idea" expressed there must be a change in state. And also modification of that thought because the chance of getting back to the exact original state of so many particles is slim.
There is no "god of the bible". But the ideas and lessons of the bible are good for anybody. I think the real problem we have is when people force this "bible" on everybody else. That's why we, in the USA, need more state level control. Let religious, liberal, right wing, hunter, racer fundamentalist move to their own state.
The feds just monitor to make sure the road racers are not lynching the off road guys.
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