The world would be more peaceful without religion - 86% agree (myth, abortion)

[cupper3]

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

Yes society is so much more peaceful when an atheist ruler takes over. Examples from history:

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,00 people murdered
Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered
Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered
Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered
Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered
Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered
Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered
Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered
Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered


Atheist Governments of the 20th Century: The Death Toll of Godless Goodness

An atheist society is a society with no hope.

Here's some more interesting facts about your copy and paste posting. Those religious upbringings seemed to have caused a lot of harm. Go figure.

[Griffis]

"With or without religion you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

-Dr. Steven Weinberg

[TRANSPONDER]

Originally Posted by cupper3

Here's some more interesting facts about your copy and paste posting. Those religious upbringings seemed to have caused a lot of harm. Go figure.

To be fair, I don't believe that Stalin or Pol pot were motivated by religion. They were motivated by a dogma that was in fact atheist, but acted like a theocracy - unquestioning belief and punishment for any who dissented. That is antithetical to reason and humanism, which is what atheists would subscribe to rather than any dogma.

Hitler's Dogma was Naziism, and that was not atheist. But I don't blame religion for Naziism, though the anti -semitism can indeed be traced back to Christianity - but itself can be traced back to the Greeks. And they were pagans before they were Christians,

[jeffbase40]

Originally Posted by cupper3

Here's some more interesting facts about your copy and paste posting. Those religious upbringings seemed to have caused a lot of harm. Go figure.

So what? A lot of atheists love to boast how they use to be good church going Bible believing Christians. Does that mean only atheists born into atheism are the ones who will not cause harm and violence?

If everyone followed God's simple command to love your neighbor before even your own self, we wouldn't have a society of death and violence.

[jeffbase40]

Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER

Suharto was muslim. So was Sukarno - Malaysian war and anti -communism.

Hitler was a Biblegod believer - even regarded himself as a Christian (though he despised the churches for their "Weakness").

As to the rest, they weren't "Real" atheists .

And Ho Chi Minh? What a sauce! An American blaming him for Vietnam? What's the rationale? I've heard most of them. "If he hadn't been there we would not have had to invade and kill his people and burn his country until most of the people ceased to support us - even at home."

Hitler used religion to appease the masses and gain more power. Private quotes show that he was anti-Christian and worshiped science and man:

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble." Adolf Hitler 1941

Sure sounds atheist to me! I bet you would even applaud that statement.

[TRANSPONDER]

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

Hitler used religion to appease the masses and gain more power. Private quotes show that he was anti-Christian and worshiped science and man:

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble." Adolf Hitler 1941

Sure sounds atheist to me! I bet you would even applaud that statement.

You are very adroit at selecting quotes to suit your argument. I know that he despised Christianity as weak. He actually though Islam would have been better for Europe as a stronger religion. He tolerated the churches so long as they toed the line. He would chum up with the Pope if they had a common enemy - Communism.

But that does not alter the fact that he believed in God, and even Jesus. He may have been content to see Christianity die a natural death, but atheism he wanted to eradicate. You want quotes, or will you look them up yourself?

[cupper3]

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

So what? A lot of atheists love to boast how they use to be good church going Bible believing Christians. Does that mean only atheists born into atheism are the ones who will not cause harm and violence?

So when you are confronted with facts that are opposite of what you thought, it becomes a "so what"? How very intellectually vapid.

If everyone followed God's simple command to love your neighbor before even your own self, we wouldn't have a society of death and violence.

You must have great selective listening skills when your pastor babbles from the pulpit.

No bible translation has that phraseology.

The correct one is: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' Words are important. Grammar is important.

Of course, if everyone just simply followed Cupper's Two Commandments, the world would be a much better place. No gawd required.

[jeffbase40]

Originally Posted by cupper3

So when you are confronted with facts that are opposite of what you thought, it becomes a "so what"? How very intellectually vapid.



You must have great selective listening skills when your pastor babbles from the pulpit.

No bible translation has that phraseology.

The correct one is: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' Words are important. Grammar is important.

Of course, if everyone just simply followed Cupper's Two Commandments, the world would be a much better place. No gawd required.

So given your two commandments, that means you are anti-abortion right? Also, you must be a vegan since you are harming animals by consuming meat.

[cupper3]

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

So given your two commandments, that means you are anti-abortion right? Also, you must be a vegan since you are harming animals by consuming meat.

Wiggle, wiggle, squirm, wiggle. Jeffy, thou jumpest to irrational conclusions.

[jeffbase40]

Originally Posted by cupper3

Wiggle, wiggle, squirm, wiggle. Jeffy, thou jumpest to irrational conclusions.

How so? I enjoy burgers and chicken, but animals have to be harmed so I guess eating that burger is immoral in your wacky ideology. Thankfully I have no problem with animals being a food source.