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You realize that not all Christians think that way, right?
How many would be enough to say that this is typical of what evangelical cultists believe? 45%? 60%? 85%?
How many church members believe the word is infallible, therefore it is the source of god because the bible says so?
If the majority of evangelical cultists church members DO NOT think this way, can they explain their belief in the bible and god without referring to the bible?
You have said in several other threads that you believe in pantheism - that everything is God. But you don't believe in the divinity of Christ.
At the same time, you stated that you think that the U.S. government considers the Bible to be the Word of God.
I am a Pantheist, yes. I believe ALL=GOD.
I am just stating one of the Laws (PL 97-280) of the U.S. that is on the books. That legally declares the Bible to be "the word of God". Check it out...you'll see.
I don't believe that myself...I am just stating what the U.S. Government has to say on the matter.
The OP asked if there was an authority outside of the Bible itself that designated it as such. So I gave him the information he was asking for.
For some reason the fact that information exists seems to get some of the members here all twisted up.
I was just stating facts. It is what it is.
He basically asks, "By what authority other than the Bible itself can we determine the Bible to be *The Word Of God*?"
So...I gave him an authority outside of the Bible that declares it as such.
I answered the question he asks in his OP...and substantiated it.
You show me how that is "bamboozlement".
It would appear tht some people think you are actually serious about this and it IS kinda fun so, in that spirit I will point out that the "authority" cited does not have authority in that area. They DO have authority in matters of conduct, however.
Yes, indeed. We are all aware of how Bible -believing presidents pushed through laws or resolutions that made their personal beliefs legislation. I shall have to leave that to later generations to repeal. But -quite apart from fiddling the undeniable influence the Bible has had (the Greek myths have, too) on our society and thought to make it look like it made it true, or dusting off Jefferson's undeniable (pre -Darwin) acceptance that Goddunnit it was the only explanation at the time, in an attempt to make it some idea that we should (post Darwin) still accept, apart, from that, as I say...
Gldnrule's oafishly telegraphed effort to make Biblesucking Presidents' imposition of their faith on the body politic through misuse of the authority entrusted to them by vote, somehow "By extension" proof that a god exists, will not fool anyone (1), unless they want to be fooled, in which case, they don't need him.
(1) no more than his semantic wangling, a half-assedly crude version of Mystic's 'God = everything' argument, will fool them. Indeed, Mystic must wince at how it flags up the semantic fiddling of the argument, which he swaddles much more cleverly.
Mystic is much smarter than me. Plus, he is a nice and classy guy...I'm not. I am rude, crude, and nasty.
Do not taint him by any comparisons to me.
I just respect his brilliance...and greatly appreciate everything he has taught me. I never knew how much I didn't know on the matter...until he hipped me to it. I still don't know it all...but I now know enough.
Many here (especially the OP of this thread) regularly trot out Laws and Court Decisions to make a point.
If they wanna hold Laws in such high esteem...let them embrace Public Law 97-280 as well. HaHaHaHa!
It would appear tht some people think you are actually serious about this and it IS kinda fun so, in that spirit I will point out that the "authority" cited does not have authority in that area. They DO have authority in matters of conduct, however.
Shhhhhhh! Don't blow up my spot nate.
This is one of my favorite threads EVER on this board.
YES...it is THE LAWWWWWWW! Everyone that has used THE LAW to support their positions and arguments MUST obey PL 97-280! Learn it, love it, live it!! LOL!
Shhhhhhh! Don't blow up my spot nate.
This is one of my favorite threads EVER on this board.
YES...it is THE LAWWWWWWW! Everyone that has used THE LAW to support their positions and arguments MUST obey PL 97-280! Learn it, love it, live it!! LOL!
We have all by become aware of your disrespect for the Law and indeed the constitution - at least where it doesn't say what you want to hear; where it does, you can't wait to wag it at us as though it proved something other than that a day of prayer has been passed into law. We atheists may not like it (indeed Freedom from religion opposed it) but it is in law, and we respect the law, even if we don't always agree with what's in it.
However, going back to your tendency to toss it in the bin (though presumably respecting it enough not to actually defy in any practical way, like refusing services to blacks or gays..if even you were inclined to), o use you own argument in support of religion - numbers - the lack off your respect for the law makes no difference to the overwhelming numbers that do accept it as a social authority.
We have all by become aware of your disrespect for the Law and indeed the constitution - at least where it doesn't say what you want to hear; where it does, you can't wait to wag it at us as though it proved something other than that a day of prayer has been passed into law. We atheists may not like it (indeed Freedom from religion opposed it) but it is in law, and we respect the law, even if we don't always agree with what's in it.
However, going back to your tendency to toss it in the bin (though presumably respecting it enough not to actually defy in any practical way, like refusing services to blacks or gays..if even you were inclined to), o use you own argument in support of religion - numbers - the lack off your respect for the law makes no difference to the overwhelming numbers that do accept it as a social authority.
Oh, com'on TRANS....you know I don't think that law is cool. But, then, I don't hold "laws" in high regard.
But 97-280 is especially bogus! It is a waste of time & effort, taxpayer money, and blatantly violates the rules. Never should have even been drafted...let alone enacted.
BUT! For those that keep citing "The Law", Court Decisions, and making claims about the viewpoint of officials like Prez Reagan...I could not resist breaking it out. It's a real steamroller for that!
It doesn't hurt to have you express your views, not only because it blows them apart, but it shows what a sad and miserable individual is depicted in your posts....and which isn't actually you. I think you are a lot better than you pretend and you adopt a persona that gives a false impression. I could speculate a lot more but it would only be speculation.
As to Mystic, your boot -polishing doesn't really help or hinder him, since his arguments (once they they are sussed out) stand or fall on their own merits.
And the basic bottom line is that you are on your own. Nobody (so far as I know) agrees with you, not even in China. So your posts are at best, thought - provoking and at worst, merely an irritation. What I mean is - your opinions about the law and Constitution don't matter at all. Perhaps on the positive side, they are thought- provoking about census -ethics and society, or about the delusion of a fixed moral authority. In that case the response is not to counter your posts, so much, as you don't matter, but to point up some aspect might have been overlooked.
Such as Mystic's "God = Everything" rhetorical swindle, which is actually pretty obvious, but you bang it on the wall till it gets bent out of shape. Yes, you'd be worth a brigade to us, if Mystic's hypothesis was a problem for atheism. Fortunately, it isn't.
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It doesn't hurt to have you express your views, not only because it blows them apart, but it shows what a sad and miserable individual is depicted in your posts....and which isn't actually you. I think you are a lot better than you pretend and you adopt a persona that gives a false impression. I could speculate a lot more but it would only be speculation.
As to Mystic, your boot -polishing doesn't really help or hinder him, since his arguments (once they they are sussed out) stand or fall on their own merits.
And the basic bottom line is that you are on your own. Nobody (so far as I know) agrees with you, not even in China. So your posts are at best, thought - provoking and at worst, merely an irritation. What I mean is - your opinions about the law and Constitution don't matter at all. Perhaps on the positive side, they are thought- provoking about census -ethics and society, or about the delusion of a fixed moral authority. In that case the response is not to counter your posts, so much, as you don't matter, but to point up some aspect might have been overlooked.
Such as Mystic's "God = Everything" rhetorical swindle, which is actually pretty obvious, but you bang it on the wall till it gets bent out of shape. Yes, you'd be worth a brigade to us, if Mystic's hypothesis was a problem for atheism. Fortunately, it isn't.
Got news for ya TRANS...in "The Grand Scheme of Things" nothing any of us write here matters.
We all have our reasons for being here, and what we get out of it.
I'm fully hip to my views on most subjects and my reasons for being here not being in line with the more common, or even the less common. That is just how it is.
I only say that I'm "DaBadGuy" cuz of what I know to be the typical opinion of a person that lives my kind of life, and conducts themself the way I do. I don’t see myself as so horrible...but I am hip to the fact that many do.
I'm not at all "miserable"...I'm one of the happiest people I know. I LOVE life.
But I am realistic...I know just the porn thing alone puts me on most peoples' "scumbag" list.
I admire and appreciate Mystic for what I learned from him, and the time he took to teach me. Few in life can give you a completely new perspective on major concepts...Mystic was that kinda person for me.
Pantheism makes perfect sense to me. As you see...even with Mystics teaching...I still formed my own unique view. All views are unique, no two are exactly alike.
I never figured some guy I never met would be so significant to my worldview and ideology. Go figure!
This thread is fun because it sets up the opportunity to break out PL97-280. Hilarious! To me, anyway.
When I saw the thread title, and read the OP...I was thrilled!
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I think you are a lot better than you pretend and you adopt a persona that gives a false impression. I could speculate a lot more but it would only be speculation.
