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Old 07-10-2016, 02:06 AM
 
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Often in these discussions, when it comes down to giving authority to the bible, we hear the words from believers, usually when they have no other discussion point to make, that the bible is "the inspired words of god".

How would one know? How would one test that hypothesis without using the bible as its own authority, as that is just a circular argument?

Some say one needs to let the spirit into one's heart? WTH? The heart is a muscle, with no thinking ability whatsoever. Yes, the ancients use to think it was the center of one's being, but we know that is wrong. And if that is a metaphorical statement, one can say anything else in the bible is metaphorical and allegorical, at best.

So, how do we KNOW that your god inspired the bible as it exists today?
There is nothing to test. You either belive or you don't. In your case, nobody forces you to believe in anything you don't agree with.
Your (and millions others) mindset is western. You need to see, measure, weigh and get proof.
On the other hand, there are millions of Buddhists in Asia. They don't need to see Buddha's grave to belive he ever existed. There is no need to find if he had multiple arms and hands. The main point is his teachings.
Spirituality is about energies and feelings. When they say "heart" they refer to a kind of deep spiritual state you probably never experienced and don't understand.
Bottom line - there is nothing to prove. People can live their lives without Bible or religion.
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Old 07-10-2016, 10:54 AM
 
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There is nothing to test. You either belive or you don't. In your case, nobody forces you to believe in anything you don't agree with.
Your (and millions others) mindset is western. You need to see, measure, weigh and get proof.
On the other hand, there are millions of Buddhists in Asia. They don't need to see Buddha's grave to belive he ever existed. There is no need to find if he had multiple arms and hands. The main point is his teachings.
The difference is, there actually was a Siddhārtha Gautama, a real person, who we now know as the Buddha. Now, the fact he really, really existed (unlike the mythical Jesus), doesn't make all the stories about him fact, especially the ascension into the heavens in Sri Lanka. That little tale was replicated in both the christian and muslim stories later on.

I do concur that the teachings of the Buddha is much more akin to reality than the Abrahamic ones, which seemed to be have been fueled by hallucinogenic or epileptic visions and superstition more than any reality.

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Spirituality is about energies and feelings. When they say "heart" they refer to a kind of deep spiritual state you probably never experienced and don't understand.
Bottom line - there is nothing to prove. People can live their lives without Bible or religion.
Actually, many of the ancients truly believed the spiritual center was the heart, and it was not a euphemism as we understand it today. BTW, don't presume what my experiences have been or what I do or do not understand.
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Old 07-10-2016, 11:41 AM
 
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... BTW, don't presume what my experiences have been or what I do or do not understand.
and yet you do that all the time here on these boards.
you presume to tell others on a regular basis what they do or don't understand, and what their experiences "really" are.

your own posts broadcast glaringly what you do not understand and what you do not experience.

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Old 07-10-2016, 02:52 PM
 
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and yet you do that all the time here on these boards.
you presume to tell others on a regular basis what they do or don't understand, and what their experiences "really" are.
your own posts broadcast glaringly what you do not understand and what you do not experience.
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Old 07-10-2016, 03:09 PM
 
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and yet you do that all the time here on these boards.
you presume to tell others on a regular basis what they do or don't understand, and what their experiences "really" are.

your own posts broadcast glaringly what you do not understand and what you do not experience.
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Amazing. Frick and Frack agreeing.
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Old 07-10-2016, 09:03 PM
 
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Amazing. Frick and Frack agreeing.
It happens frequently with open minds, less so with closed ones.
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Old 07-10-2016, 09:25 PM
 
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It happens frequently with open minds, less so with closed ones.
And you opened yours when? Welcome to the world of logic, reason and rationality.
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Old 07-11-2016, 07:27 AM
 
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If the Bible is the Word of God, then why does the Bible get so many facts wrong in the very first chapter of the very first book?

What standard do we use to determine whether a book is the Word of God?
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Old 07-11-2016, 07:40 AM
 
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If a person accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, Gods Holy Spirit enters their heart. This brings real spiritual understanding of The Bible. Unless a person Accepts Christ, they will not truly believe His Word- period.
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Old 07-11-2016, 09:38 AM
 
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If a person accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, Gods Holy Spirit enters their heart. This brings real spiritual understanding of The Bible. Unless a person Accepts Christ, they will not truly believe His Word- period.
And what does this have to do with the OT? No christ present there.
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