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And given what I've read about Jesus, he wouldn't consider a church that doesn't allow gay membership worthy of being called Christian.
It's weird that Jesus never really felt the need to set the record straight, isn't it? I mean...he COULD have cleared up all the misunderstandings and endorsed same sex marriage.
But he didn't. In fact, he reiterated that male/female marriage as it was with Adam and Eve was GOOD.
And I have said from the beginning that the legality of this is not the issue . The courts spoke, and that is it unless higher courts decide otherwise .
This was/is a discussion about whether any real discrimination took place . From your post and the one previous by cupper, it seems that honest discussion is not desired , and instead will be met with suggestions that anyone not in absolute agreement with the thought police are better suited for life in some place that is homophobic .
Which requires of those suggesting such complete ignorance of all my previous stances firmly for gay rights , gay marriage , etc. and my total opposition to the fundies here on CD .
Some folks just fear honest discussion it seems . There was no discrimination here , no one has adequately responded to how two men were discriminated against simply because a business did not provide the product the gay men wanted , and since the intellectual arsenal of those who disagree with me is empty we now move into the phase where we begin to imply homophobia on the part of anyone who doesn't wholeheartedly accept these two guys , who were likely professional gunslingers looking for a gunfight , were horribly harmed by the dating site .
Typical .
And my response is that THE COURTS DECIDE WHAT IS REAL AND WHAT IS NOT REAL DISCRIMINATION. You don't get to do it and neither do I.
A pity that some can't see an answer but see it as an attack on THEIR views of what is and what is not discrimination.
Some people are simply unhappy when it is not their idea of discrimination that trumps everyone else.
It's weird that Jesus never really felt the need to set the record straight, isn't it? I mean...he COULD have cleared up all the misunderstandings and endorsed same sex marriage.
But he didn't. In fact, he reiterated that male/female marriage as it was with Adam and Eve was GOOD.
Weird, huh?
Jesus could have set the record straight by saying "burn the gays," too. But He didn't do that. So it is left to reasonable people to read Scripture and understand the context in which it was written. Neither did Jesus condemn the multiple marriages of past generations of Hebrews which occurred despite what was written in Genesis which Jesus quoted. He could have cleared that up, too, and said it was an abomination. But He didn't do that.
It's you who twist Scripture to present your current cultural view of marriage. That view simply isn't biblical and ignores centuries of same-sex marriages endorsed by the Church, performed by the Church, and sanctified by the Church.
Your ignorance is leading your flock astray and your attempts at influencing them is simply an attempt to inculcate current culture (now achanging) into their minds so as to influence them to remain steadfast in upholding the culture you worship.
You really need to get an education in religious history, Vizio.
And my response is that THE COURTS DECIDE WHAT IS REAL AND WHAT IS NOT REAL DISCRIMINATION. You don't get to do it and neither do I.
A pity that some can't see an answer but see it as an attack on THEIR views of what is and what is not discrimination.
Some people are simply unhappy when it is not their idea of discrimination that trumps everyone else.
Typical.
No, the courts decide what is legal . Whether it is real or imagined is not contingent on what the courts say . The courts decide the legality, not necessarily the truth .
And there seem to be those that are satisfied letting others , such as lawyers, do their thinking for them .
To illustrate my point , can we now determine that it is discrimination against gay men for strip clubs to have only women strippers? Yes or no , using your own brains without depending upon lawyers to tell you what to think .
No, the courts decide what is legal . Whether it is real or imagined is not contingent on what the courts say . The courts decide the legality, not necessarily the truth .
And there seem to be those that are satisfied letting others , such as lawyers, do their thinking for them .
To illustrate my point , can we now determine that it is discrimination against gay men for strip clubs to have only women strippers? Yes or no , using your own brains without depending upon lawyers to tell you what to think .
When it comes to discrimination, legal is the only thing that counts. Your opinion is just one of six billion. So is mine.
I don't visit strip clubs so I have no opinion (and why should I)--the courts can decide that as easily as baking cakes for whomever. And their opinion has the weight of the Constitution behind it---until the Supreme Court rules otherwise.
I'm sure if you wish to play guessing games, you can find something anyone would agree is or is not discrimination. Give us a real case.
When it comes to discrimination, legal is the only thing that counts. Your opinion is just one of six billion. So is mine.
I don't visit strip clubs so I have no opinion (and why should I)--the courts can decide that as easily as baking cakes for whomever. And their opinion has the weight of the Constitution behind it---until the Supreme Court rules otherwise.
If you don't wish to discuss whether any real discrimination took place but are merely content to accept what others tell you is right or wrong , why are you posting here ? This discussion was not about the legality, but of the moral correctness of it . If what is morally correct for you is decided for you by others , then why bother interjecting into the discussion ?
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I'm sure if you wish to play guessing games, you can find something anyone would agree is or is not discrimination. Give us a real case.
I gave you one . You chose to avoid answering , but once again admitted you would let others decide what is right or wrong for you , and what you are to believe . I'm not sure why one would need to visit strip clubs to decide if my question were right or wrong
I'll give you another . Many places sell porn to heterosexual males but not gay porn . Can gay men claim discrimination now because the 7-11 doesn't sell gay porn but sells hetero porn ?
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And my response is that THE COURTS DECIDE WHAT IS REAL AND WHAT IS NOT REAL DISCRIMINATION. You don't get to do it and neither do I.
A pity that some can't see an answer but see it as an attack on THEIR views of what is and what is not discrimination.
Some people are simply unhappy when it is not their idea of discrimination that trumps everyone else.
Typical.
What logical basis do you use to conclude ANY "court" could determine "REAL DISCRIMINATION"?
"Courts" decide NOTHING, except what is or isn't based upon the "code" in whatever particular jurisdiction they are in.
They do NOT determine what is "REAL DISCRIMINATION".
If it actually was, as you say, that "courts decide"...by that logic...a Sharia court, in a jurisdiction where they have authority, determine what "Real Discrimination" is.
You have yet to explain how you are qualified to determine who is and isn't a Christian.
Of course, ChristianMingle realizes that the Bible does not mention anything about same-sex marriage or relationships being valid, and they should not be forced to allow it. It is a violation of religious rights to force them to do so. But hey...it's only Christians! Our rights don't matter, do they?
Here's an idea: Instead of acting insulted and all manufacturing a reason to complain, go build your own website. This is supposed to be a free country.
You have yet to explain how your interpretation of the Bible is better than other Christians.
But, hey. I understand you believe you are Christian, and I would never disabuse you of your notion. You seem to think you are Christian. Meh. I am not really seeing it. But, then again this is your belief, and I know that people convince themselves of many things that may not be true.
Here is an idea. Do not call yourself a Christian business website and discriminate against other Christians. Stop complaining and whining about the fact that you are not allowed to run a business and discriminate.
You have yet to explain how you are qualified to determine who is and isn't a Christian.
Stop breaking my irony meters, Vizio! Based on your posts and demonstrated girnoance of so many things biblical and Christian, you still claim authority to discern who is and who is not a Christian. How can that be???
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