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Not one writer of the Bible considered the creation of Adam and Eve to be some sort of figurative event or allegory. They all considered the creation account to be true. Jesus and Paul both spoke of Adam and Eve as real people and the first created couple.
Agreed. To me, this is proof that the Bible should not be taken figuratively and given a pass on it's many inaccuracies and contradictions.
This almost deserves no comment but, out of our friendship (supposing there still is one) the evidence that Genesis is false and the many, many discussions where you have been unable to put up any really serious evidence other than inventing all sorts of fantasies from inflating mountains to a conveyer -belt poop -remover, half of which could be refuted anyway, like bronze age iron -working and any feasible way of feeding the decanted Ark -animals (other than magic) in favour of it -and that apart from the scientific evidence that refutes it, soundly supports the conclusion that it is a myth and never really happened.
Which means that I have done quite enough to make the case and it is up to you to adduce any decent evidence (The Bible isn't it) that those claims are true, not for me do yet more to show they aren't.
And didn't you argue that 6 days didn't actually mean 6 days but 4 billion years divided into 6, or something? Or was that someone else?
No, that wasn't me.
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After the towzing I just gave you just on this thread, 'nothing better' has to be a contender for "Most award -winningly flatulent piece of kneejerk -denialist Eusebian backchat of the year".
p.s I suggest you concede or I shall post my Joke photo...and explain it!
mensaguy wants this thread back on the "No school trips to Ken Ham's Ark" . So I must defer to his wishes.
I suggest you get back to the theme of this thread.
I like the way you (after having been sharply reminded to stay on -topic) take it upon yourself to use the spent reprimand on Petunia, who was merely responding to you.
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No, that wasn't me.
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mensaguy wants this thread back on the "No school trips to Ken Ham's Ark" . So I must defer to his wishes.
Correctly. We need another Evilooshun debate like the US needs another Creation museum. I see the topic as covered, anyway. Strictly speaking, there should be no school -organized trips, and maybe that's the point. Anyone who wants to go can go, but the decision is with the parents. It is not for the school to take that decision out of the hands of the parents as though religious indoctrination (for that is what this is - and Creationist indoctrination too) was part of the school curriculum.
That said, there are any number of ways of working around that, but let them think of the loopholes themselves.
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The whole point is that the Ark Encounter and its charlatan in chief, Ken Ham, are pushing religion as fact, and it is not constitutional to have schools paid for by taxpayers, to contribute to that venture.
Many court cases have decided as such, and FFRF was reminding schools not to transgress the law.
Just to be contrary, wouldn't a school trip to this ark be appropriate under a sociology or psychology class program? You know, to show the kids just how delusional people can become under indoctrination. Like how dangerous and damaging indoctrinating kids can be? I'm sure there must be many kids who have no idea what fantasies people actually believe to be fact.
Just to be contrary, wouldn't a school trip to this ark be appropriate under a sociology or psychology class program? You know, to show the kids just how delusional people can become under indoctrination. Like how dangerous and damaging indoctrinating kids can be? I'm sure there must be many kids who have no idea what fantasies people actually believe to be fact.
Well that's pretty hypocritical. So it's ok to push the ideology on school kids that their religious beliefs are just psychological disorders?
Just to be contrary, wouldn't a school trip to this ark be appropriate under a sociology or psychology class program? You know, to show the kids just how delusional people can become under indoctrination. Like how dangerous and damaging indoctrinating kids can be? I'm sure there must be many kids who have no idea what fantasies people actually believe to be fact.
As shown above some take every word as literal, except what sciences actually say, so even using an emicon they take you serious and get offended.
Just to be contrary, wouldn't a school trip to this ark be appropriate under a sociology or psychology class program? You know, to show the kids just how delusional people can become under indoctrination. Like how dangerous and damaging indoctrinating kids can be? I'm sure there must be many kids who have no idea what fantasies people actually believe to be fact.
Ark Encounter would be a potential field trip for a sociology or comparative religion class, but as I said, such things don't generally exist in American education at the primary or secondary level.
One of the reasons can be seen in a recent case where a calligraphy class presented an example of arabic calligraphy that just happened to be some ritual "god is great" sort of incantation. Once some parent figured that out, the whole school system was temporarily shut down by the controversy. "Obviously" this was pushing Sharia law!! Here in 'murica! The horror! Point being, if you can't make an incidental reference to another faith in a calligraphy class, how could you ever substantively study comparative religion, particularly in an objective way?
So our children end up illiterate about any religious ideology other than fundamentalist Christianity. And sooner or later some public school is going to send kids to Ark Encounter, sending the tacit message that it represents actual human history.
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