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You just can't admit you were wrong on the evolution, past flood and last Temple threads can you?
Why should I as everyone who can read saw that you have no claims that stood up, you were either profoundly or willfully uninformed on the subject and ended up with the usual denial and backchat. Game over, sunshine, whether you admit it or not.
Tell me old mate, why do you do this? Is it like Charlie Brown "I think you get a sort of weird pleasure out of losing all the time." or it is just your old "Nobody can beat me!" remark, or what? Why do you never remember the discussions and we have to go through it all, time and again? Is it like denying that you got beat means you can try to win all over again? How can you with the same material? I get even more information, but you have to drop some arguments (Polystrates, for instance, once one of your staple arguments). I find it very ..
Pleased to see that the FFRF is reminding schools not to mix religion with school, and advising them of what the law is.
Of course, we know there will be a backlash from the fundevangelicals, but their sects never do accept that church and state really, really have to stay separate.
Well with that logic, a trip to the Sistine Chapel would be a violation. This is getting really stupid. A trip to see a building is not establishing religion.
I want to see that albatross float. If it claims to be true to form, they should make it float.
I would rather go to Disney.
But here is where it is screwed up, the parents and kids who desire to go cannot be permitted , that's just as bad as an established religion and telling you that you are not permitted to worship or not worship as you choose...
But here is where it is screwed up, the parents and kids who desire to go cannot be permitted , that's just as bad as an established religion and telling you that you are not permitted to worship or not worship as you choose...
Nonsense. Individuals who wish to visit the new theme park certainly are free to do so.
Did you read the article?...Those that desire to have a class trip there are not allowed...
Yes, I did. Do you understand the difference between an individual and a government-funded public school?
If I want to visit the theme park, I can. Nothing is stopping me. If I want to take my family along, I certainly can. If I want to take other people's children, during school hours, and get the taxpayer to subsidize the trip, that's tough cookies.
Well with that logic, a trip to the Sistine Chapel would be a violation. This is getting really stupid. A trip to see a building is not establishing religion.
The Sistine chapel is an artwork. The Hammy Ark is a work of Creationist propaganda; nothing more. Creationism is not permitted in a science class, and indeed, since it was shown to be merely religion dressed in a Lab coat, isn't appropriate in school at all, and you can't get around it by taking the class to the Creationism.
There is nothing to stop people going, and I am sure the ever - ingenious Creationist teachers will find a way of getting around it, but the marker is down. You don't do it as an overt school trip.
Petunia straightened Richard out admirably. It was a matter of wonder that it needed to be done. I really wonder whether the Believers properly read these articles or stop to understand them. I think they just get a flash of: "Christians stopped from doing something religious" and they immediately start screaming.
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Did you read the article?...Those that desire to have a class trip there are not allowed...
Mom and Dad are still free to take their kids.
Churches are still free to take their Sunday School class.
Private schools run by churches are still free to take their kids.
Public schools are not free to take their kids. That's the point.
I would suppose that the workaround for a public school is to take a comparative religion or sociology class to the park to study it for what it is. Sadly, unlike, say, the UK, I don't believe such classes exist in American primary or secondary education today. It is anathema to teach the Bible as literature, mythos, ideology, or anything other than "historic truth" and "the word of god".
But here is where it is screwed up, the parents and kids who desire to go cannot be permitted , that's just as bad as an established religion and telling you that you are not permitted to worship or not worship as you choose...
Nothing is stopping home- schooled parents from taking their children. Nothing is stopping parochial schools from going.
Public schools are a different matter. Public money should not be spent to take children to this Ark.
The parents of public school students are free to organize a trip without using public school funds, and time. They simply rent a bus and take them on the weekend.
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If it claims to be true to form, they should make it float.
