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Old 07-16-2016, 08:39 AM
 
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If you're going to use a strict reading of the Constitution and ONLY the Constitution in lawmaking, then you should visit your nearest Air Force base and tell the commander there that having an Air Force is currently unconstitutional since a strict reading of the Constitution only allows for an army and a navy.

"Oh, but that's different ..."

Right? Somehow.
Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution makes allowance for the federal government to be responsible for national defense. It is silent on the topic of school trips to museums, or even federal oversight of the local school system.
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Old 07-16-2016, 10:09 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution makes allowance for the federal government to be responsible for national defense. It is silent on the topic of school trips to museums, or even federal oversight of the local school system.

Except the SCOTUS decisions, as much as you want to deny them, apply to everyone.
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Old 07-16-2016, 10:43 AM
 
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Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution makes allowance for the federal government to be responsible for national defense. It is silent on the topic of school trips to museums, or even federal oversight of the local school system.
Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution SPECIFICALLY grants the Federal Government the power to:

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;


To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Gee, Vizio ... the Constitution was awfully specific about the government's power to raise an army, maintain a navy, and to call a militia. In this case, precisely HOW the government is to "provide for the common defense" is well established and detailed.

And yet ... the Constitution is completely silent on the government's authority and power to create and maintain an Air Force.

Are you with me yet, Vizio? Or do I need to continue schooling you on the Constitution?
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Old 07-16-2016, 02:54 PM
 
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Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution SPECIFICALLY grants the Federal Government the power to:

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Gee, Vizio ... the Constitution was awfully specific about the government's power to raise an army, maintain a navy, and to call a militia. In this case, precisely HOW the government is to "provide for the common defense" is well established and detailed.

And yet ... the Constitution is completely silent on the government's authority and power to create and maintain an Air Force.

Are you with me yet, Vizio? Or do I need to continue schooling you on the Constitution?
YEah but the government was also very specific about it's limitations in the first 10 that people argue about... continuously. And make no guise: they were limitations, not rights. (they cover what rights are in the preamble).

I would further add.. the Air Force grew out of the Army Air Corps and, in 1947, was passed by congress to be it's own Echelon... you know, that entity that is allowed to make law?
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Old 07-16-2016, 03:23 PM
 
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YEah but the government was also very specific about it's limitations in the first 10 that people argue about... continuously. And make no guise: they were limitations, not rights. (they cover what rights are in the preamble).

I would further add.. the Air Force grew out of the Army Air Corps and, in 1947, was passed by congress to be it's own Echelon... you know, that entity that is allowed to make law?
I think that is one of the points, the government can make laws that are not already in the constitution. The Supreme Court then , if brought before them, decide if the law violates the constitutional. The other side seems to be implying that the government can only pass laws that are already inferred in the Constitution.
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