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Old 07-10-2016, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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From the linked article, she is quoted as saying: "You can be a businessman here in St. Louis, and people think the more you have, the more wonderful it is … but if you’re a preacher, then all of a sudden it becomes a problem.”



The article repeatedly refers to her ministry, and it's tax exempt status.




The article makes reference to her followers.




So cupper linked to a Christian site talking about her ministry, her tax exempt status, her followers, and the fact that the organization provides housing for her. I think he pretty much nailed it.
Yes, she has a ministry. It is not a church, and she is not a pastor of a church. She is basically a teacher. She now teaches through books, TV and conferences. A number of years ago I listened to her on the radio. I guess you could have called me a "follower" for a period of time. But she got no money from me. Maybe she should have. I learned a lot from her teachings. And yes, her ministry comes under the same IRS rulings as a church. But I know nothing about her relationship with the IRS. All I know it that I benefitted from her hard work and study.
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Old 07-10-2016, 08:12 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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From the linked article, she is quoted as saying: "You can be a businessman here in St. Louis, and people think the more you have, the more wonderful it is … but if you’re a preacher, then all of a sudden it becomes a problem.”



The article repeatedly refers to her ministry, and it's tax exempt status.




The article makes reference to her followers.




So cupper linked to a Christian site talking about her ministry, her tax exempt status, her followers, and the fact that the organization provides housing for her. I think he pretty much nailed it.
Tzaphkeil doesn't like those little details pointed out, he would rather abuse the messenger, than the message. It's so christian of him or her.
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Old 07-10-2016, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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yet another thread started by cupper where he can't even get the story straight, but resorts to his rabid frothing, fraught with inaccuracies. she is not a pastor, she does not have a church, and she does not have parishioners. She is a successful author.

once again cupper and his knee jerk National Enquirer mentality and lack of credibility,
yet another example of he "read it on the internet so it must be true"
You are ignoring the rest of what I said, such as that she does operate a non profit ministry that she has used to effectively launder away her tax liability by donating her profits to the non-profit org and thus making them deductible, and then having the non-profit provide her with things. She has stopped that practice now that she has been called out on it and has cleaned up her act.

You are also ignoring that there have long been ethical questions swirling around her. Of course it's possible those ethical questions are 100% unfair heresay, sour grapes, etc. But I kind of doubt it. Generally, where there's smoke, there's fire. Besides, the story cupper referenced was from a Christian source, and if a Christian source has ethical questions about one of their own, it just about guarantees there is some truth to it.

Like you, I don't think a thing is true because I read it on the Internet. I doubt cupper does either. On the other hand I don't think a thing is untrue because I read it on the Internet either. One can generally suss out the truth by comparing different sources and using common sense. In fact, perversely, traditional news sources such as network TV has gotten to be such an unreliable quagmire of "newstainment" that I get more accurate news and analysis from the Internet these days using just that method -- diverse sourcing and cross-checking. Honestly, the real journalists that are left have largely retreated to the Internet.
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Old 07-11-2016, 05:58 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Tzaphkeil doesn't like those little details pointed out, he would rather abuse the messenger, than the message. It's so christian of him or her.

I believe Tzaph.is actually Jewish. But even Beard, Kippoh and dog -collar will stand shoulder to shoulder against the common enemy.
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Old 07-11-2016, 06:08 AM
 
Location: US
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I believe Tzaph.is actually Jewish. But even Beard, Kippoh and dog -collar will stand shoulder to shoulder against the common enemy.
She's Orthodox...Chassidic, I believe...
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Old 07-11-2016, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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Tzaphkeil doesn't like those little details pointed out, he would rather abuse the messenger, than the message. It's so christian of him or her.
Lol. Not a he and not Christian. Oy vey.

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Old 07-11-2016, 09:28 AM
 
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Tzaphkeil doesn't like those little details pointed out, he would rather abuse the messenger, than the message. It's so christian of him or her.
Very poor assessment...as usual. But I respect your persistent dedication to whatever it is you are trying to achieve.

Tzaph (a woman) embraces Judaism specifically...and Basic Love & Sweetness generally. She puts forth (and seeks) a vibe that is fine, just, and solicitous.
She is very wise and smart, and will not hesitate to call out negative stuff.
For whatever reason...men, overall, are more "coarse" than women, typically.
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Old 07-11-2016, 09:55 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Lol. Not a he and not Christian. Oy vey.
Please take note of this post.

I stand corrected!
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Old 07-11-2016, 11:44 AM
 
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Please take note of this post.

I stand corrected!


You mean that you are admitting that you have been wrong? Well done. Some day we will sit down and talk provincial politics so that you can once again admit you were wrong.


For all others this is not politics but just a joke between the two of us.
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Old 07-11-2016, 11:59 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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You mean that you are admitting that you have been wrong? Well done. Some day we will sit down and talk provincial politics so that you can once again admit you were wrong.


For all others this is not politics but just a joke between the two of us.
Yes, I look forward to you admitting the errors of your ways.
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