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Old 07-14-2016, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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And those rules and regulations, and the biased way in which they are enforced and held over the heads of churches are unconstitutional.
What the hell are you talking about? What churches where have had taxes imposed that are in conflict with their tax-exempt status? Can you please provide one example of this?

Also, do you understand why and how churches (if 501c3 organizations) are held to the exact same standards as any other secular 501c3?

In the 501c3 scenario, neither any church or any secular organization is granted any more or any fewer rights or considerations. the 501c3 status is the same, and comes with the same stipulations, for both churches and secular entities.
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Old 07-14-2016, 11:36 AM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Holding a church to a different standard than other non-profit groups is wrong. That's what I have an issue with.
In what way are churches held to a different standard?
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Old 07-14-2016, 11:39 AM
 
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Because it's good public policy to NOT tax a church.
So you DO understand that it is not the Constitution which determines taxation policy on churches, right? Your previous statement seems to indicate you were under a misunderstanding of that fact.
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Old 07-14-2016, 11:40 AM
 
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And those rules and regulations, and the biased way in which they are enforced and held over the heads of churches are unconstitutional.
Can you describe what you consider to be "the biased way in which they are enforced and held over the heads of churches"?
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Old 07-14-2016, 11:47 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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You either completely misunderstood, or are completely misrepresenting, what I said. Specifically, I was pointing out that churches ARE held to the exact same standards as other tax-exempt non-profits IF they are organized as a 501c3 entity, which most (but not all) churches are.

Other 501c3s are also not allowed to be political with regards to specific candidates, parties, etc.

Nor are 501c3 churches. I'm saying churches don't get a special pass that allows them to do things other organizations can't do without violating their 501c3 status.
Just to be clear, churches are not required to obtain 501c3 status, and still are exempt from taxation. They get that right automatically, however, there are just too many advantages for them to be 501c3 registered. Most of them have to do with State and Municipal tax exemptions which are only recognized if they are 501c3 registered.

IRS on churches and 501c3:

https://www.irs.gov/uac/charities-churches-and-politics

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
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Old 07-14-2016, 11:55 AM
 
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Just to be clear, churches are not required to obtain 501c3 status, and still are exempt from taxation...
Correct. And I was trying to convey that--that not all churches are 501c3 entities, nor was a church required to become one.
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Old 07-14-2016, 12:01 PM
 
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Can you describe what you consider to be "the biased way in which they are enforced and held over the heads of churches"?
Do you think no other non-profit ever gets involved in politics?
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Old 07-14-2016, 12:06 PM
 
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Do you think no other non-profit ever gets involved in politics?
Are you even capable of answering a simple, direct, honest question?

To respond to yours, above--I am sure this happens. And if and when it does, whether it is a secular organization or a church organized as a 501c3, they should have their tax-exempt status revoked, immediately and--I'd say be audited by the IRS, but the IRS already wastes so much damn money...
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Old 07-14-2016, 12:14 PM
 
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Are you even capable of answering a simple, direct, honest question?
I thought I did. There are all sorts of non-profit groups that get ignored by the IRS.

The FFRF itself is a non-profit, yet it exists to be a political entity.
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To respond to yours, above--I am sure this happens. And if and when it does, whether it is a secular organization or a church organized as a 501c3, they should have their tax-exempt status revoked, immediately and--I'd say be audited by the IRS, but the IRS already wastes so much damn money...
I think you're naive.
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Old 07-14-2016, 12:23 PM
 
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The FFRF itself is a non-profit, yet it exists to be a political entity.
Source or stop sinning
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