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I am too old and tired to care, but if a 1st amendment challenge to tax law on religion is ever brought, it would probably be sustained. No law respecting religion is pretty specific.
As I mentioned before, the establishment clause is there to prevent religion from being specifically targeted or alternatively, given special privileges. There's no constitutional issue with making religious groups follow the exact same rules as similar secular organizations.
That's why they're not allowed to perform human sacrifices, after all - your interpretations would prevent the government from enforcing laws against murder if someone says they really believe their god said it was OK.
I know. This thread is full of people that are posting nonsense.
Such as? Can you post some of this "nonsense?"
I would sincerely like to see it.
Again, since "this thread is full" of that, it should be easy for you to present some of this nonsense people have posted so commonly and readily on this thread.
But you won't. Because you can't. Just as on the "door knocking" thread, you make ridiculous claims, avoid backing them up, claim you are right just because...because you said so, I guess (maybe having Jesus on your side helps with that, though I would think Jesus might have a problem with your continual lying and misrepresenting of facts) and then go on to rant about something else, usually about how poor Christians are all mistreated and persecuted or some other such total nonsense and BS which again, you will never be able to support with anything real, because you apparently live in your own reality and feel entitled to say "anything that doesn't jibe with what I believe, proof or no, is just plain wrong."
And that's all you've got, and that's the sum substance of each of your posts on this forum.
I am too old and tired to care, but if a 1st amendment challenge to tax law on religion is ever brought, it would probably be sustained. No law respecting religion is pretty specific. I could be wrong and as I said I don't particularly care. I am no fan of religions, just God.
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Originally Posted by Petunia 100
"No law respecting religion" should work the other way regarding taxation. No exemption from taxation on religious grounds.
Taxation is not the default. It is imposed by law.
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Originally Posted by KCfromNC
As I mentioned before, the establishment clause is there to prevent religion from being specifically targeted or alternatively, given special privileges. There's no constitutional issue with making religious groups follow the exact same rules as similar secular organizations.
That's why they're not allowed to perform human sacrifices, after all - your interpretations would prevent the government from enforcing laws against murder if someone says they really believe their god said it was OK.
I agree, KC, BUT this is about political speech. Religious freedom of expression and freedom of political speech are specifically enumerated. Using a backdoor law about taxation to impede those freedoms is a violation.
Taxation is not the default. It is imposed by law.
I agree, KC, BUT this is about political speech. Religious freedom of expression and freedom of political speech are specifically enumerated. Using a backdoor law about taxation to impede those freedoms is a violation.
The IRS rules apply to every 501(c)3 organization. That tax designation is the one that makes donations to the organization tax deductible. If the organization wants to remove itself from 501(c)3 status, they can do that, and probably remain a non-profit organization under their state rules. making them exempt from most taxes. The difference is that contributions to the organization MAY not be deductible on the individual donors' tax returns.
I agree, KC, BUT this is about political speech. Religious freedom of expression and freedom of political speech are specifically enumerated. Using a backdoor law about taxation to impede those freedoms is a violation.
For individual people, yes; for charitable non-profits organizations, no.
Taxation is not the default. It is imposed by law.
I agree, KC, BUT this is about political speech. Religious freedom of expression and freedom of political speech are specifically enumerated. Using a backdoor law about taxation to impede those freedoms is a violation.
No one's denying churches their right to political speech; they just have to make a choice-- free speech or exemption from taxes. Life is full of choices. No one has a right to be exempt from paying taxes unless Congress creates the exemption. No backdoor law at all. But maybe President Trump will make Congress amend 26 USC 501(c)(3).
I predict such an amendment would be widely unpopular, and not just among us atheists, pagans, satanists, and other fellow travelers.
As I mentioned before, the establishment clause is there to prevent religion from being specifically targeted or alternatively, given special privileges. There's no constitutional issue with making religious groups follow the exact same rules as similar secular organizations.
That's why they're not allowed to perform human sacrifices, after all - your interpretations would prevent the government from enforcing laws against murder if someone says they really believe their god said it was OK.
That's actually the second half, referred to as the Free Exercise Clause, which ironically, is way more detailed than the first half.
However, since activists of all stripes annoy me, and activist/litigious groups really annoy me from continuously tying courts up with tripe, one should start a Freedom From Freedom from those who Just Can't Stop Talking Religion Till It's Blue in the Face.
No one's denying churches their right to political speech; they just have to make a choice-- free speech or exemption from taxes. Life is full of choices. No one has a right to be exempt from paying taxes unless Congress creates the exemption. No backdoor law at all. But maybe President Trump will make Congress amend 26 USC 501(c)(3).
I predict such an amendment would be widely unpopular, and not just among us atheists, pagans, satanists, and other fellow travelers.
It is sorta satisfying to see which side Mystic will come down on when the barriers go up. I sorta think that Troutdude and wardenDresden will be loading and ramming for us.
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It is sorta satisfying to see which side Mystic will come down on when the barriers go up. 
I sorta think that Troutdude and wardenDresden will be loading and ramming for us.
