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Old 03-07-2008, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Huntsville, AL
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Well that's one of the problems about God isn't it? For a being who's supposed to have such amazing powers he's apparently very shy. I've never once seen God, heard his voice or experienced anything that would make me think he's real. If God is the most powerful being that could ever exist why is he such a wallflower?
Let's just think logically for a second here. If I am God, who would I be more willing to communicate with, someone that believes in me and follows my teachings, or someone who blasts me and vehemently opposes the very thought of my existence.
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Old 03-08-2008, 12:29 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Well I would have to think for some scientific research to come out and change the mind of not only a believer that goes to church only on Christmas and Easter, to the guy that straps a bomb to his chest, it would have to be extremely convincing. So to be fair to your question, I guess it is faith based, but a high probability in my mind.
Again, you've met the paradox without even realizing it. The guy strapping a bomb to his chest feels as if he IS doing the work of god and I can guarantee you he feels he has high probability of his faith! Otherwise, he wouldn't be strapping a bomb to his chest!
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Old 03-08-2008, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Let's just think logically for a second here. If I am God, who would I be more willing to communicate with, someone that believes in me and follows my teachings, or someone who blasts me and vehemently opposes the very thought of my existence.

Interesting.

Personally, I would tend to think a perfect deity would be above such petty concerns.
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Old 03-08-2008, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Ostend,Belgium....
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Well, god being full of wrath and scorn, seems to be very easily angered. He's very egocentric and vengeful, he's got so many (not to be envied) human traits, it's uncanny. To me, that's the best proof that he's made up by humans. When people who pray and truly believe in him don't see their prayers answered they even say 'he saw it unfit to do this or that' ...He's even got moodswings. 'He doesn't feel like doing this or that' or 'He's got his own reasons for what he does'...'His ways are mysterious' ...sounds like some people I know.
So they added that humans are made in his image, isn't it the other way round?
And before anyone says I am bashing god, don't even start that. I'm just making conclusions based on what I read and hear people say.
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Old 03-08-2008, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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Let's just think logically for a second here. If I am God, who would I be more willing to communicate with, someone that believes in me and follows my teachings, or someone who blasts me and vehemently opposes the very thought of my existence.
It seems like you're trying to apply human emotions to God. That happens to be one of the reasons that the concept of God always seems to expose itself as a manmade mythology. In other words man created God in his image and not the other way around. Why would an all powerful supreme being behave like an immature school boy and express himself with jealousy and anger?
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Old 03-08-2008, 08:22 AM
 
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It seems like you're trying to apply human emotions to God. That happens to be one of the reasons that the concept of God always seems to expose itself as a manmade mythology. In other words man created God in his image and not the other way around. Why would an all powerful supreme being behave like an immature school boy and express himself with jealousy and anger?
If one thinks of god as a conceptualized projected state, then it makes sense.
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Old 03-08-2008, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Huntsville, AL
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Interesting.

Personally, I would tend to think a perfect deity would be above such petty concerns.
Oh here we go.
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Old 03-08-2008, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Huntsville, AL
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Again, you've met the paradox without even realizing it. The guy strapping a bomb to his chest feels as if he IS doing the work of god and I can guarantee you he feels he has high probability of his faith! Otherwise, he wouldn't be strapping a bomb to his chest!
That is exactly why I brought it up, because you would have to convince a guy like that, that there is no God. Wouldn't be that easy I would imagine.
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Old 03-08-2008, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Huntsville, AL
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It seems like you're trying to apply human emotions to God. That happens to be one of the reasons that the concept of God always seems to expose itself as a manmade mythology. In other words man created God in his image and not the other way around. Why would an all powerful supreme being behave like an immature school boy and express himself with jealousy and anger?
I am human, what other emotions can I have? I am just saying, why would you be worthy over someone that follows his teachings? Seems kind of arrogant for someone that does not believe to say, God needs to prove something to me by talking to me or showing himself to me. That is just my take on it.
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:47 AM
 
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Science isn't a belief system. Statements like that make your arguments lose credibility from the start. And the evolutionary process CAN be observed and is fact. How it happens is theory. Considering the fact that I am a science fan and treat it as a career, I am sure I know way more about the subject than you. The fossil record can be observed at the Museum in NYC. I guess that won't convince you though, despite the fact that observable evidence is 1000000 times better than scriptures written by random people 2,000 years ago. I'm done with this because arguing science with someone who doesn't have the same level of understanding of it as me is like arguing over which football team would score more than the other with someone who doesn't even know how the game is played.
Science as far as Evolution is concerned is without question a belief system, and has been for a long time. Much of that so called science was not based on facts, but speculation. Look at what Evolutionist have stated in the past, look at what they asked you to believe, and look at what is considered true today. Time after time they have given you evidence that was suppose to be the missing links. They would bring out the brass bands to announce their findings. For years we had to listen how Neanderthals were our human ancestors, yet now we know there is no DNA link to humans what so ever.
Then there was Piltdown Man declared to be a 500,000 year old missing link. Turned out to be a hoax. Then there was Nebraska man, this whole find was built on one discovered tooth. Turned out to be a tooth belonging to an extinct pig. Then there was Lucy, yet her skull is so incomplete that most of it is "imagination made up of Plasster of Paris. Even Leakey said in 1983 that no firm conclusion could be drawn about what species Lucy even belonged to. The list of fales missing links for Evolution could go on and on. One of the latest to be found was in the 1999 issue of National Geographic. In this article scientist studied the fossil remains of the Archaeoraptor liaoningenusis.
The scientist used a variety methods to study this find, including ultraviolet and CT scans ect. They concluded, "It was a true missing link in the complex chain that connects dinosaurs to birds." As it turns out, this fossil was a fake and manufactured in China. Science is so bent on believeing in Evolution that they are grasping for anything that they can call a missing link. No I'm sorry Mr. Haaziq, but Evolution cannot be obsevered in any Museum in New York or anywhere else. Because evolution lacks any solid evidence in the fossil record or anywhere else. And fake artistic drawings donot count as evidence. And the real reason you don't want to debate me here has nothing to do with your level of knowledge on the subject. It has more to do with your inability to defend a subject with out facts to support your position.
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