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I posted this "rant" on another thread, and it is rather pedestrian, but I would like a sensible, logical response.
Christianity, or any theistic religion for that matter, just seems so illogical. An omnipotent creator could have designed all things to be in harmony, efficient, without conflict, all beautiful, and benevolent. And why so many? Was "god" so lonesome that billions of imperfect creatures were needed for companionship? When were creatures advanced enough to be considered human? Were neantherdals created with the benefit of souls and the opportunity to be resurrected? Christian theology just doesn't make any sense. Evolutionary biology and quantum mechanics appear to have more logical answers and approaches to the biq questions.
I posted this "rant" on another thread, and it is rather pedestrian, but I would like a sensible, logical response.
Christianity, or any theistic religion for that matter, just seems so illogical. An omnipotent creator could have designed all things to be in harmony, efficient, without conflict, all beautiful, and benevolent. And why so many? Was "god" so lonesome that billions of imperfect creatures were needed for companionship? When were creatures advanced enough to be considered human? Were neantherdals created with the benefit of souls and the opportunity to be resurrected? Christian theology just doesn't make any sense. Evolutionary biology and quantum mechanics appear to have more logical answers and approaches to the biq questions.
He did design it that way, and then He gave his children freedom to depart from the way it was set up, it was polluted so to speak.
None of the sciences can explain creation or spirit.
And I know you-all have been waiting around for three or four or five moths or however long it's been since I've been on here to hear what JerZ thinks.
I think we're questioning and putting forth all these challenges (because really...that's what they are) to kind of force God to finally show His face once and for all. We all (we questioners, anyway) really want to know for sure...one way or the other. We're tired of having to wonder all the time, and we're tired of constantly being told we're going to go to hell.
One of these days, He's finally going to do it. God is going to show Himself to everybody, exactly how He really looks, with six arms and three eyeballs or whatever he might look like (personally...I think He might look something like a cross between Jeffrey Hunter and a DNA double-helix), and He's gonna scream at everybody, "All right! All right! Here I am, for Christ's sake!" (He's allowed to say that because He's God.) "You want to 'know' I'm here? Well, here I am! And when I said X, Y and Z in the Bible, they got it wrong and when I said A, B and C they got it right...sort of. Oh, and M and N were spot-on. As to that whole bit about giving away your worldly goods...for the love of Peter. I was only kidding! I thought I made you people with a sense of humor! Now...for all thou disbelievers who didn't believe I look like Jeffrey Hunter, you're going to hell! Didn't I SHOW you, by moving My hand through Warner Brothers Studios?" and then 3/4 of the world will poof into a puff of brimstone. And since we southern Californians are the only people in the world who DO believe Hollywood is real, we'll be the only ones getting to heaven...oh, the irony.
Anyway...then we won't have to wonder any more.
ETA: (p.s.) I'm joking (obviously...either that, or certifiably insane) but I really do wonder sometimes if we're all questioning so hard because we do need to nudge God into showing us what He really is...whatever that is. It's an interesting theory, anyway, right?
Here we go with the "My God can beat up your God" arguments....
Troop, you do not have to worry about that happening, the difference between him and I is that I will respect his right to believe as he wishes and I will not go about trying to convert everybody to my beliefs because I do not believe that my beliefs is necessarily right for everybody whereas he will go about telling you that his God is the only true God according to whatever book he decides to believe and that everybody should believe the way he believes without respect to others, this is what radical Christians do, so he's entitled to his belief but I do not wish to believe in his God.
And I know you-all have been waiting around for three or four or five moths or however long it's been since I've been on here to hear what JerZ thinks.
I think we're questioning and putting forth all these challenges (because really...that's what they are) to kind of force God to finally show His face once and for all. We all (we questioners, anyway) really want to know for sure...one way or the other. We're tired of having to wonder all the time, and we're tired of constantly being told we're going to go to hell.
One of these days, He's finally going to do it. God is going to show Himself to everybody, exactly how He really looks, with six arms and three eyeballs or whatever he might look like (personally...I think He might look something like a cross between Jeffrey Hunter and a DNA double-helix), and He's gonna scream at everybody, "All right! All right! Here I am, for Christ's sake!" (He's allowed to say that because He's God.) "You want to 'know' I'm here? Well, here I am! And when I said X, Y and Z in the Bible, they got it wrong and when I said A, B and C they got it right...sort of. Oh, and M and N were spot-on. As to that whole bit about giving away your worldly goods...for the love of Peter. I was only kidding! I thought I made you people with a sense of humor! Now...for all thou disbelievers who didn't believe I look like Jeffrey Hunter, you're going to hell! Didn't I SHOW you, by moving My hand through Warner Brothers Studios?" and then 3/4 of the world will poof into a puff of brimstone. And since we southern Californians are the only people in the world who DO believe Hollywood is real, we'll be the only ones getting to heaven...oh, the irony.
Anyway...then we won't have to wonder any more.
ETA: (p.s.) I'm joking (obviously...either that, or certifiably insane) but I really do wonder sometimes if we're all questioning so hard because we do need to nudge God into showing us what He really is...whatever that is. It's an interesting theory, anyway, right?
Well look who climbed out of the woodpile!!
I understand what you are saying but you realize you are saying "Look God, make it where no faith is required."
I understand what you are saying but you realize you are saying "Look God, make it where no faith is required."
JerZ, my friend, that ain't never gonna happen.
(((((((((((R)))))))))))))) Hey! (/waving) You always put forth good arguments.
Actually, I'm not really saying "Look God, make it where no faith is required" but "Look God, make it so I'm not believing the wrong thing." Because I could just as easily have faith in Hinduism, the Q'uran, a Native American religion, or Satanism. I'm not faithless. Just careful.
Seriously, though. It's more than a matter of just having faith. If I automatically had faith in whatever religion was around me, then I could easily have faith in the "wrong" thing if I had been raised instead in the Middle East...in the Far East...in a synagogue...or in a church.
If I automatically had faith in whatever religion was around me, then I could easily have faith in the "wrong" thing if I had been raised instead in the Middle East...in the Far East...in a synagogue...or in a church.
But you weren't.....
I have thoughts about what happens to folks in other countries, other cultures, other ways of life, but that's another thread.
You are my friend, and I kinda like you around, so I say "What about you?"
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