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Old 08-13-2017, 06:27 PM
 
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You make these non-sequiturs about my views in another post and I still do not understand why you would associate my views with Islam. The way your mind works escapes me, Tzaph. I follow Christ, certainly NOT Mohammed, whose beliefs are in many ways worse than the OT, IMO. Islam and Judaism are in a sibling rivalry over Isaac and Ishmael it seems to me. Jesus has nothing to do with either tradition.
Trans, can you explain it to Mystic so he gets it? That him claiming to "correct" the "errors" of Judaism is identical to Islam "correcting" the "corruption and errors" of Christianity?

 
Old 08-13-2017, 06:49 PM
 
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If that ain't the most dessicatedly dryest put - down ever...where's my rep??

What??? I was being serious. I thought your joking remark was funny. Peace
 
Old 08-13-2017, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Trans, can you explain it to Mystic so he gets it? That him claiming to "correct" the "errors" of Judaism is identical to Islam "correcting" the "corruption and errors" of Christianity?
You may have a point, in that Mystic recognizes that mainstream religion has gone off the rails, and that Islam points out areas where that happened: making a religion out of the faith and the Way Jesus taught, regardless of what the relationship of Father and Son is. However, they, as Mystic pointed out make the same error themselves with a different focus for adulation and a different set of rituals and laws and other forms.


Mystic might have moved on to Buddhism/Taoism and/or humanism but for his conviction of the divine, so until someone points out a faith tradition that more closely matches the consciousness he "encountered" he is stuck on "The Way" Jesus taught, and so, for one, am I.
 
Old 08-13-2017, 07:11 PM
 
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You may have a point, in that Mystic recognizes that mainstream religion has gone off the rails, and that Islam points out areas where that happened: making a religion out of the faith and the Way Jesus taught, regardless of what the relationship of Father and Son is. However, they, as Mystic pointed out make the same error themselves with a different focus for adulation and a different set of rituals and laws and other forms.


Mystic might have moved on to Buddhism/Taoism and/or humanism but for his conviction of the divine, so until someone points out a faith tradition that more closely matches the consciousness he "encountered" he is stuck on "The Way" Jesus taught, and so, for one, am I.
That's fine for him.
That's fine for you.

The problem is that he tells other people their views are incorrect.
He denigrates other views. And he misrepresents other views.

He seems utterly incapable of talking about his own path without the constant barrage of negativity and criticism.
Instead of just talking about how beautiful his own wife is, he tells everyone else how ugly and deficient and inferior their wives are. Do you see how one is an expression of light, and the other is toxic sludge?

Do you see the difference?
 
Old 08-13-2017, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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That's fine for him.
That's fine for you.

The problem is that he tells other people their views are incorrect.
He denigrates other views. And he misrepresents other views.

He seems utterly incapable of talking about his own path without the constant barrage of negativity.
Instead of just talking about how beautiful his own wife is, he tells everyone else how ugly and deficient and inferior their wives are.

Do you see the difference?
Beauty, like ugliness, is with the beholder.

Why do you accept his notion of your "wife's" ugliness? What do you care what another thinks of the one you care about?

If you are smitten by your god, no other's opinion of it should matter.
 
Old 08-13-2017, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel View Post
That's fine for him.
That's fine for you.

The problem is that he tells other people their views are incorrect.
He denigrates other views. And he misrepresents other views.

He seems utterly incapable of talking about his own path without the constant barrage of negativity and criticism.
Instead of just talking about how beautiful his own wife is, he tells everyone else how ugly and deficient and inferior their wives are. Do you see how one is an expression of light, and the other is toxic sludge?

Do you see the difference?
I do see the difference, but the point you should consider is that the ideas that Mystic denigrates have been abandoned in Rabbinic Judaism. For instance, how do you view animal sacrifice?
 
Old 08-13-2017, 07:28 PM
 
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I do see the difference, but the point you should consider is that the ideas that Mystic denigrates have been abandoned in Rabbinic Judaism. For instance, how do you view animal sacrifice?
good. thank you.
 
Old 08-13-2017, 07:35 PM
 
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You may have a point, in that Mystic recognizes that mainstream religion has gone off the rails, and that Islam points out areas where that happened: making a religion out of the faith and the Way Jesus taught, regardless of what the relationship of Father and Son is. However, they, as Mystic pointed out make the same error themselves with a different focus for adulation and a different set of rituals and laws and other forms.
Mystic might have moved on to Buddhism/Taoism and/or humanism but for his conviction of the divine, so until someone points out a faith tradition that more closely matches the consciousness he "encountered" he is stuck on "The Way" Jesus taught, and so, for one, am I.
Thank you so much, nate! I am increasingly frustrated by the misunderstanding of my views and the attempts to denigrate them by association with other views. I FOLLOW JESUS because the detailed descriptions of His God and character exactly match the consciousness I encountered, period. No other God can be accepted given my experiences. I just cannot understand the seeming inability or unwillingness to recognize evil and savagery for what it is.
 
Old 08-13-2017, 07:40 PM
 
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Thank you so much, nate! I am increasingly frustrated by the misunderstanding of my views and the attempts to denigrate them by association with other views. I FOLLOW JESUS because the detailed descriptions of His God and character exactly match the consciousness I encountered, period. No other God can be accepted given my experiences. I just cannot understand the seeming inability or unwillingness to recognize evil and savagery for what it is.
i recognize the evil and savagery in your posts that goes on and on and on, the hate, the intolerance for other religious views, the black sludge on display in your word choices and toxic attitude.
 
Old 08-13-2017, 08:56 PM
 
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i recognize the evil and savagery in your posts that goes on and on and on, the hate, the intolerance for other religious views, the black sludge on display in your word choices and toxic attitude.

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