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This has nothing to do with belief in God. It is a worthy goal for any of us, period. The reason you are so off base in these discussions is that you are emoting and NOT reasoning. That is also why you accept without question everything written in your sacred texts even when it contradicts what you recommend in this very post. What you say in this quote has NOTHING to do with whether or not you believe in God or you accept what is in writings supposed to be from God. It expresses a goal we all would be wise to aspire to whatever we believe about God. Your focus on it obstructs your reasoning about the content of your beliefs about God. I guess it is a sign of the times that our society has become so sensitive and offense-taking instead of rational and reasoning.
LOL, this mentality of not believing the word of God is the word of God is so irrational and confusing that I can't get my mind around how you believe Mystic, and it seems that I am one of the last hold outs to believe God has a word or not.
But what you do is so self defeating that it confuses me to where you are coming from after you have canceled out God altogether, and when you cancel God out, there is no way possible for you to teach a belief in his son. If the son or any of his followers are lawless false prophets like if they were teaching people to disrespect the laws of God, they are false prophets who should have been killed under the law.
If you are teaching a lawless Messiah from an evil God, what is the point? This is why I am so confused, how do you still believe in a God when you have cancelled out anything to do with the bible at all?
You can't use the bible in any capacity whether from the old or New Testament because you are convinced that you have brought God down and proved it wrong, and after you have brought God down, what God are you teaching? You couldn't possibly have any connection to the God of the bible because you prove him wrong. Your simple truth is that the God of the bible doesn't exist, and his son couldn't possibly exist. Maybe Jesus was never even born?
I wish you would make up your mind, I am not trying to anger you, I think you don't see where you are standing because you have no foundation, and maybe I can help you see the big picture outside the box and you can become an Atheist, or maybe a Buddhist, those people are cool, even Hindu's but the one thing you couldn't possibly be, is a person connected to the belief in the God of Israel.
I mean OF COURSE, I understand that modern Christianity has nothing to do with the religion of Jesus, Paul and all the disciples who walked in Judaism, I am just pointing out that you ALSO self defeat right there amongst them.
Maybe you are an Atheist and you just don't know it yet, have you ever considered that?
My closest dear friend was a Universalist, and I thought that was real cool, and that is believing in all religions. I think most of these new age Christians here are Universalists and they don't know they are Universalist but they are, and when you are a Universalist, you can't agree with the bible because your belief contradicts the biblical teachings that the two cannot exist together. Universalist puts Jesus alongside other Messiahs in other religions, and Christianity is already in the Babylonian religion, the Roman religion, the religion of ancient Egypt, and the religion of the ten tribes. I could call Christianity so many names, and whether she comes from Babylon or Assyria, she is still the same, whether she comes from Egypt or Babylon or Rome, she is always depicted the same.
The Mistress of heaven, O that black Palestinian woman, that Chaldean of Chaldeans but there was just one who truly loved her beloved Jew, there was just one true bride of brides O ye daughters of Jerusalem, do not seek love until it is time, do not look at me because I am black because I have been working the vineyards of others, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, has you seen my beloved? I have come from Ebal and suffered the flames all the way to Shechem and I cannot find him.
There is one true bride of brides who loves her Jew of Jerusalem and she seeks him out.
As I keep saying, faith in God is not necessarily a problem. Faith in holy books, however, often leads to irrational behavior.
faith in the kind of book describing god can be a problem for sure. You are saying that if there isn't a book telling people what to do, god, in of itself, without commands, is harmless. I agree with that.
A Faith claim that a book was written by god is a serious problem. It tells us right away that the person may not be function properly, or ideally. A brief conversation with the person will give us insight into if they were just not exposed to other ideas and/or an intelligence issue (not over all, but brain interactions).
I think you are being way kind when you say a book leads to the irrational behavior. The faith in the book, past the regular stuff good for us all, is the irrationally that is responsible for the irrational behavior. Basically I am saying, the person was irrational before the book.
I say that, because we have irrational people from all religions regardless of the book. We have irrational people that have no faith in religious books, and are still irrational.
LOL, this mentality of not believing the word of God is the word of God is so irrational and confusing that I can't get my mind around how you believe Mystic, and it seems that I am one of the last hold outs to believe God has a word or not.
get your mind around this. the bible isn't the literal word of god. People that believe the bible is literal and without error, whatever that means, should be the last hold outs. We call it a bell curve.
there is no "words of gods" anymore than there are "words of DNA" that make you.
This has nothing to do with belief in God. It is a worthy goal for any of us, period. The reason you are so off base in these discussions is that you are emoting and NOT reasoning. That is also why you accept without question everything written in your sacred texts even when it contradicts what you recommend in this very post. What you say in this quote has NOTHING to do with whether or not you believe in God or you accept what is in writings supposed to be from God. It expresses a goal we all would be wise to aspire to whatever we believe about God. Your focus on it obstructs your reasoning about the content of your beliefs about God. I guess it is a sign of the times that our society has become so sensitive and offense-taking instead of rational and reasoning.
its 1/2 truths. all beliefs are, at least, half filled with good stuff. Heck, even socialism looks good on paper, that's why people take it as a literal truth. a literal belief in anti-religious socialism texted leads to seriously irrational behavior.
But i see you kind of doing the same thing he does mystic, with your god thing. You have accepted your terms of agape love. It doesn't necessarily match observation and you have chosen to ignore the other half of the equation.
or, if you feel i am way off base, how is his different than yours?
Yup. Faith in philosophy is not necessarily a problem. Faith in philosophy books and journal articles however often leads to irrational behavior.
yup, the non religious versions of dangerous literal thinking is called communism and socialism. and the other side is fascism ... just sayin ... you have a point
I agree. And Teed uses those terms. Which is why Teeds ideas are vague, not productive for discussion, and not helpful. Which is why for me the abstract presented demonstrates a lack of depth, and lack of understanding.
You and Teed both freely use the terms "supernaturalism" and "naturalistic theism." They are used the same way people use phrases such as "magical thinking" "blah blah blah nonsense" "fairy tale." They indicate a lot about what a person brings to the table in terms of their views, their attitude, their clarity of thinking, their depth of understanding, their maturity, their ability to engage with others showing dignity courtesy and respect. Those are indicators of character and integrity or lack thereof.
Regarding any source of learning it is important for me to always evaluate it as I read and listen in light of asking "what wisdom is on offer" in this or that article or abstract or post or book. When a person uses phrases like "supernatural" "naturalistic theism" "fairy tale" "magical thinking" "special snowflake" "fundashield," those are indicators for me of not a lot of wisdom on offer.
This is a considerably different approach than "how can I win an argument" or "how can I debate this topic." Teed's premise in the abstract is how to argue with atheists.
Very different approach than "how can I improve my character, live a life of integrity, treat others with ever more kindness dignity compassion kindness, give wirh generosity to charity"
1/2 truths here. yes, all beliefs have good stuff. but.
you don't think a guy raising the dead, walking on water, then died, awoke, and flew away shouldn't be dismissed as a metaphor? and that anybody that teaches these thing as literally true are wrong?
Thats our point. well, those of us that aren't anti-religious socialist i should say. They have their problems in that literal thinking, too, for sure.
get your mind around this. the bible isn't the literal word of god. People that believe the bible is literal and without error, whatever that means, should be the last hold outs. We call it a bell curve.
there is no "words of gods" anymore than there are "words of DNA" that make you.
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I am one of those people who say that the word of God is fact, but it is spiritual and only can be understood through spiritual ways. Any one law we discuss, it's not going to be about what you read of that one law, you could pick any law, and maybe I know the meaning, maybe I don't, but each and every law has a spiritual meaning, everything said is said in a secret language.
The dietary laws are not laws about eating food at all, they concern unclean spirits, unclean people, Gentiles and many more things. The laws of sacrifice are not speaking of killing animals, but they are teaching you how to die to the sinful man within you. It doesn't matter what law you choose, you aren't getting what it is teaching and that's what Messiah came to do, Messiah came teaching great secrets of Torah and he proved this without a doubt in his parables because his parables are ALWAYS translating law, and he is showing just how much he knew of the law.
Example.
''Come and eat of my flesh''
This is what any Jew could say when he knows the law, the priests took over the responsibility of the Passover lamb after the first Passover, and now priests would stand in the stead of the first born sons as it was in Egypt, and then this same law was expended and EVOLVED that each Gentile was a first born son BECAUSE God took ten tribes and seeded those tribes into all Gentile nations, and they were waiting on the return of the ten lost tribes, and Jesus stands out as a Jew, and as a rabbi saying,'' I am your Passover lamb, I will teach you, and I will betroth you back into Israel, and I will stand in your stead because you are a first born son, and I am a Jew.''
They didn't understand this at first, but he was just showing secrets of the law that had God planting tribes into all the nations of the world so that the Jew and the Gentile could become one people and global peace would be ushered in, and he said all this just by saying,'' Come and eat of my flesh.''
I am one of those people who say that the word of God is fact, but it is spiritual and only can be understood through spiritual ways. Any one law we discuss, it's not going to be about what you read of that one law, you could pick any law, and maybe I know the meaning, maybe I don't, but each and every law has a spiritual meaning, everything said is said in a secret language.
The dietary laws are not laws about eating food at all, they concern unclean spirits, unclean people, Gentiles and many more things. The laws of sacrifice are not speaking of killing animals, but they are teaching you how to die to the sinful man within you. It doesn't matter what law you choose, you aren't getting what it is teaching and that's what Messiah came to do, Messiah came teaching great secrets of Torah and he proved this without a doubt in his parables because his parables are ALWAYS translating law, and he is showing just how much he knew of the law.
Example.
''Come and eat of my flesh''
This is what any Jew could say when he knows the law, the priests took over the responsibility of the Passover lamb after the first Passover, and now priests would stand in the stead of the first born sons as it was in Egypt, and then this same law was expended and EVOLVED that each Gentile was a first born son BECAUSE God took ten tribes and seeded those tribes into all Gentile nations, and they were waiting on the return of the ten lost tribes, and Jesus stands out as a Jew, and as a rabbi saying,'' I am your Passover lamb, I will teach you, and I will betroth you back into Israel, and I will stand in your stead because you are a first born son, and I am a Jew.''
They didn't understand this at first, but he was just showing secrets of the law that had God planting tribes into all the nations of the world so that the Jew and the Gentile could become one people and global peace would be ushered in, and he said all this just by saying,'' Come and eat of my flesh.''
well that doesn't seem like a fundy. I mean I am not religious, and don't do messiah type stuff past metaphors, but I get your point here.
LOL, this mentality of not believing the word of God is the word of God is so irrational and confusing that I can't get my mind around how you believe Mystic, and it seems that I am one of the last hold outs to believe God has a word or not.
But what you do is so self defeating that it confuses me to where you are coming from after you have canceled out God altogether, and when you cancel God out, there is no way possible for you to teach a belief in his son. If the son or any of his followers are lawless false prophets like if they were teaching people to disrespect the laws of God, they are false prophets who should have been killed under the law.
If you are teaching a lawless Messiah from an evil God, what is the point? This is why I am so confused, how do you still believe in a God when you have cancelled out anything to do with the bible at all?
You can't use the bible in any capacity whether from the old or New Testament because you are convinced that you have brought God down and proved it wrong, and after you have brought God down, what God are you teaching? You couldn't possibly have any connection to the God of the bible because you prove him wrong. Your simple truth is that the God of the bible doesn't exist, and his son couldn't possibly exist. Maybe Jesus was never even born?
I wish you would make up your mind, I am not trying to anger you, I think you don't see where you are standing because you have no foundation, and maybe I can help you see the big picture outside the box and you can become an Atheist, or maybe a Buddhist, those people are cool, even Hindu's but the one thing you couldn't possibly be, is a person connected to the belief in the God of Israel.
I mean OF COURSE, I understand that modern Christianity has nothing to do with the religion of Jesus, Paul and all the disciples who walked in Judaism, I am just pointing out that you ALSO self defeat right there amongst them.
Maybe you are an Atheist and you just don't know it yet, have you ever considered that?
And you call this a reasonable argument with your own mind?
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