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Old 05-27-2018, 02:49 PM
 
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Humans are primates who have developed cortical areas capable of self-reflective consciousness and abstract/logical thought.

Along a more speculative metaphysical line of thought, I would say that animal sentience brings qualitative experience into the determinant world, and qualitative experience in the form of abstract recognition of alternative possibilities brings free will into the world. And Free Will brings morality. Free will also goes hand-in-hand with the possibility of questioning, which bring spirituality into the world.

Good topics if you want to start a different thread to continue discussion I am happy to explore these topics further. The thread I started was closed. This fruitful and enjoyable discussion can continue but not in this thread which has long since died. I look forward to and would welcome further conversation on a different thread. You've raised some excellent topics and questions that merit response.

 
Old 05-27-2018, 04:59 PM
 
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Machines are objects. They are not alive.
Simple basic question for you or anyone.
What distinguishes a human from a machine?

And what sets humans apart from animals?
thats not what i asked you tzap. Of course machines aren't alive today. we know that.


I am asking you what to make of the fact that there is not one thing alive in a cell but we classify that volume as "life".
 
Old 05-27-2018, 05:01 PM
 
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This line of thought (acknowledging the open questions about the lines between consciousness and non consciousness) is not what makes humans act inhumanely towards other human beings. But your line of thought could easily lead to humans acting inhumanely toward beings who are not genetically human.
lmao, like we need a reason to be "inhuman".
 
Old 05-27-2018, 05:03 PM
 
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My question still stands. How would we misrepresent the "chemistry" in a computer by taking it apart, studying its processes, and analyzing them if we did not understand that the binary language is what is determining how it behaves?"

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Old 05-27-2018, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Florida
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lmao, like we need a reason to be "inhuman".
Whatever 'we' do is human. "Inhumane' is a different thing.
Semantics again?
 
Old 05-27-2018, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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thats not what i asked you tzap. Of course machines aren't alive today. we know that.


I am asking you what to make of the fact that there is not one thing alive in a cell but we classify that volume as "life".
The point being (as near as I can determine} that "spirituality" recognizes a kinship, a connection within our environment, but the "lines" are apparently arbitrary. Where might we be willing to redraw those lines?
 
Old 05-27-2018, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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Good topics if you want to start a different thread to continue discussion I am happy to explore these topics further. The thread I started was closed.
I wish the mods had not closed your thread. The intersections between science and spirituality are of critical importance to spirituality and religion in the modern world. It's only an annoyingly arbitrary and conventional distinction that treats the two as totally separate topics. But the conversation won't be allowed in the science forums, so that only leaves the philosophy forum - which is a perfect place for it, except that hardly anyone follows the philosophy forum, so threads started there die quickly with very little participation. If a bunch of you would follow a thread there, maybe we can make it work. But in my experience that never seems to happen.
 
Old 05-27-2018, 06:14 PM
 
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I wish the mods had not closed your thread. The intersections between science and spirituality are of critical importance to spirituality and religion in the modern world. It's only an annoyingly arbitrary and conventional distinction that treats the two as totally separate topics. But the conversation won't be allowed in the science forums, so that only leaves the philosophy forum - which is a perfect place for it, except that hardly anyone follows the philosophy forum, so threads started there die quickly with very little participation. If a bunch of you would follow a thread there, maybe we can make it work. But in my experience that never seems to happen.
It can be in the religion and spirituality forum. Thats where it belongs. Just not in this current thread which is particular to "Crstnty"
 
Old 05-27-2018, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I would be willing to "follow" such a thread, but the point is well worth considering that the "lines" between physics, metaphysics and spirituality are arbitrary and I'd say the only conversation would be where to draw those lines and why.
 
Old 05-27-2018, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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It can be in the religion and spirituality forum. Thats where it belongs. Just not in this current thread which is particular to "Crstnty"
Where did you start the thread that got closed?
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