An Intellectual's Christian Narrative: A Non-Magical Alternative (Buddhist, mythology, atheist)
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he said that. But your goal seems to be promoting a false equivalency and to knock people off balance. To me anyway.
How is it helpful to teach that a person died, woke up, and flew away? How is it more helpful to teach that as literally the only way to salvation?
you think deeply into things Arach. an engineer. an intelligent person. seeks a balanced "middle of the road" view.
we look forward to hearing your responses to questions (one page back) in post #4399 and #4400
"Magic thinking" from my standpoint is thinking that any religious observation, rite, ceremony or other such practice has value in itself as opposed to comfort or encouragement derived because we bring the attitude TO that practice. I.e. "baptism saves."
"Magic thinking" from my standpoint is thinking that any religious observation, rite, ceremony or other such practice has value in itself as opposed to comfort or encouragement derived because we bring the attitude TO that practice. I.e. "baptism saves."
thats a great way of saying it. The rituals have value when we bring the attitude, or knowledge, that the practices are helping align ourselves to ourselves and those around us and, indeed, the system around us.
Thus, we can point people to a set that works for them. Weather its this or that doesn't really matter as much as the helping them.
you think deeply into things Arach. an engineer. an intelligent person. seeks a balanced "middle of the road" view.
we look forward to hearing your responses to questions (one page back) in post #4399 and #4400
There is no magic for me, just the universe. I don't need a dude dying, waking up, and flying away nor do I need to deny everything the universe is doing just because I need revenge. Both sides have way to much hate and fear for me.
in your own personal view-belief-opinion which of these are "magical thinking and superstition"
[*]"visit from Jesus"
I think there was probably a real person named Jesus more or less around that time. But the Christ mythology is much larger and more ancient than the historical person. From a Jungian perspective, I can see ways in which Mythos can carry deep meaning and Truth for individuals, even if not literally accurate from a historical perspective.
[*]"visit by angels"[*]"visit by any dead person"[*]"heard a message from God"[*]God
For all of the above, my answer is that I don't know. I couldn't say with much confidence that they do exist, or that they don't exist. I am opened evidence and arguments either way. But I do feel fairly confident in saying that if any of these things do exist, then the nature of their existence is probably quite a bit different than the common interpretations found in general culture.
[*]God created the universe and everything in it
I very much doubt Divine Intelligent Design.
[*]every human has an eternal soul
Yeah, sorta, but the Eternal aspect is not personal, it's Universal. The Eternal aspect of consciousness is sorta like triangularity. Every particular triangle has triangularity - each particular triangle is an instantiation of the Universal. But I do not believe that the universal exists independent of the particulars. There are probably no conscious experiences independent of particular physically embodied experiences.
[*]reincarnation
On my theory, all of us could, in principle, have past life memories of actually being Cleopatra or Napoleon Bonaparte, etc., given the right embodied situations.
[*]prayer
BTW: I have to acknowledge that last week I had yet another situationin in which I prayed for the resolution of a seemingly impossible situation, and the situation was resolved. This feels like evidence for some sort of God, or guardian angel, or higher self type of idea. I don't really know what to think about it, metaphysically, but I'm grateful for these outcomes.
[*]placebo[*]miracle healing[*]Divine intervention[*]acupuncture[*]chi[*]there is an unseen energy that gives life and animates life
Lots of stuff going on that we don't currently understand scientifically. Most of it is probably tied to a lack of a good theory of consciousness.
Last edited by Gaylenwoof; 11-04-2018 at 07:50 AM..
"Magicthinking" from my standpoint is thinking thatanyreligious observation, rite, ceremonyor other such practice has value in itselfas opposed to comfort or encouragement derived because we bring the attitude TO that practice. I.e. "baptism saves."
= "visit from Jesus"
Last edited by Tzaphkiel; 11-04-2018 at 11:32 AM..
my point is that which MPD denounces and decries and disparages as "magic" "primitive" "superstition" "magical thinking" he also practices himself "visit from Jesus"
Last edited by Tzaphkiel; 11-04-2018 at 12:42 PM..
he said that. But your goal seems to be promoting a false equivalency and to knock people off balance. To me anyway.
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if a person feels "knocked off their balance" when they are able to hear what their statement sounds like, or the "logic" that they are using then that is a good thing.
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