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Old 12-02-2018, 11:31 AM
 
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It has?
Yes. For instance
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4802748/

 
Old 12-02-2018, 11:54 AM
 
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Another example
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Old 12-02-2018, 12:16 PM
 
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Does anyone peer -review this stuff or do they just put it in the library?
 
Old 12-02-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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Does anyone peer -review this stuff or do they just put it in the library?
It's a dissertation for a PhD in philosophy.
 
Old 12-02-2018, 12:29 PM
 
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Acupuncture is based on flow of chi (unseen life force that flows through life and is source of life). Evidence based research demonstrating effectiveness results in acupuncture now being used in mainstream medicine, hospitals, and medical centers. Hard science or soft science?

Flow of chi is also basis of healing and martial arts in tai chi and qi gong. Hard science or soft science?

Placebo proven and documented in research even when the person taking the "medicine" knows it is a placebo. Hard science or soft science?

My point is there is already a blending and there has been for thousands of years. It is elementary.

yeeah, its based in "chi", but works because of how your body is wired. You can send signals, from outside your body, in patterns , that can change the patters in your body, to do a desired effect. no magic.

so chi was was based on some good stuff even if they didn't know exactly how it works. Like QM is based on thing we don't understand. or gravity's formula is based on gravity ... and nobody knows what gravity is.

I hit your nerves with a pin, you fell better. well, used properly.

Chi, as a life force does have to line up with F=ma. that means, does a person, have the power (j/s) to change the fields that are operating around a person?

yeah, if the use a pin that is.


yes, a blending of old science (religion had a role in old science) and new science is a good thing. so long as the literalist don't get a hand in it that is.
 
Old 12-02-2018, 12:30 PM
 
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It's a dissertation for a PhD in philosophy.
he doesn't understand past 'atheist perspective", he needs to be told what to think.

he doesnt just get it.
 
Old 12-02-2018, 12:41 PM
 
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yeeah, its based in "chi", but works because of how your body is wired. You can send signals, from outside your body, in patterns , that can change the patters in your body, to do a desired effect. no magic.

so chi was was based on some good stuff even if they didn't know exactly how it works. Like QM is based on thing we don't understand. or gravity's formula is based on gravity ... and nobody knows what gravity is.

I hit your nerves with a pin, you fell better. well, used properly.

Chi, as a life force does have to line up with F=ma. that means, does a person, have the power (j/s) to change the fields that are operating around a person?

yeah, if the use a pin that is.


yes, a blending of old science (religion had a role in old science) and new science is a good thing. so long as the literalist don't get a hand in it that is.
Needles in acupuncture are not applied to nerves. They are applied to unseen (invisible) channels of chi. Here is the anatomical chart of channels of chi (acupuncture meridians). These are shown on the chart but they are unseen channels through which unseen chi (life force) flows. Cut open a cadaver and you will not find them.

This has been understood for thousands of years including " how it works"
Https://www.google.com/search?q=char...UZpg1cxnjM9w5M

https://www.google.com/search?q=char...&bih=560&dpr=2

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Old 12-02-2018, 12:58 PM
 
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Needles in acupuncture are not applied to nerves. They are applied to unseen (invisible) channels of chi. Here is the anatomical chart of channels of chi (acupuncture meridians). These are shown on the chart but they are unseen channels through which unseen chi (life force) flows. Cut open a cadaver and you will not find them.

This has been understood for thousands of years.
yeah, let a scientist narrow down where the best places are to locate a pin. and, of course, ask the old wives, they have the real experience.

they saw, changing something in your body worked. that's good stuff. like giving you a poison can save your life. or playing the rhythmic pattern can make a person settle down. it all good.

but chi, as the force, coming out of a person's hand, to knock stuff over, is nonsense. chi, as the very fabric of space, as expressed in the standard model, is fine. I have no problem with it when talked about like that.

chi, holy spirit, spirit of the wolf, human spirit, dream time, are all the same thing. They are good stuff until until funy-think types get a hold of them.
 
Old 12-02-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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yeeah, its based in "chi", but works because of how your body is wired. You can send signals, from outside your body, in patterns , that can change the patters in your body, to do a desired effect. no magic.

so chi was was based on some good stuff even if they didn't know exactly how it works. Like QM is based on thing we don't understand. or gravity's formula is based on gravity ... and nobody knows what gravity is.

I hit your nerves with a pin, you fell better. well, used properly.

Chi, as a life force does have to line up with F=ma. that means, does a person, have the power (j/s) to change the fields that are operating around a person?

yeah, if the use a pin that is.


yes, a blending of old science (religion had a role in old science) and new science is a good thing. so long as the literalist don't get a hand in it that is.
We can also markedly change and affect our physical health (including symptoms and disease) through our thoughts and emotions, for better or worse. What we think, what we feel, what we believe have a distinct and significant impact, for better or worse, on our health and well being.

That aspect of consciousness has also been understood and utilized for thousands of years.

It is why placebo works....a person "believes" it will help him and it does. That is the power of belief, the power of of our thought and intention and desire. That is an illustration of our power to change physical matter through our thoughts feelings and beliefs.
 
Old 12-02-2018, 01:10 PM
 
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yeah, let a scientist narrow down where the best places are to locate a pin. and, of course, ask the old wives, they have the real experience.

they saw, changing something in your body worked. that's good stuff. like giving you a poison can save your life. or playing the rhythmic pattern can make a person settle down. it all good.

but chi, as the force, coming out of a person's hand, to knock stuff over, is nonsense. chi, as the very fabric of space, as expressed in the standard model, is fine. I have no problem with it when talked about like that.

chi, holy spirit, spirit of the wolf, human spirit, dream time, are all the same thing. They are good stuff until until funy-think types get a hold of them.
And the more a person understands, practices, utilizes, and learns, the more effective the results will be in a person's own life. And they will have a greater (broader, more in depth) understanding of "how the universe works"
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