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God told them not to eat from the fruit before they had eaten from the fruit.
If they have not eaten from the fruit, and it was actually something that could be eaten, how could they be punished for not knowing any better? But we are told that "when the women/Eve saw that the fruit was pleasing to the eye and could make one wise, she gave to her husband and ate." That's already a good/bad decision.
Since this is not Christian, per se...it is here in Religion.
What is your take on the garden, fruit, Eden story?
The word 'blame' was brought up in another thread...do you think God 'blamed'
Adam and Eve?
I don't.
I thought it was clear, (but I see, now, like mud).
Again, my take shouldn't influence the direction of this thread...I can give my take later on.
Do you think it is all metaphor? Do think it happened?
Anything goes...are you mad at God for the whole thing?
Oh, and when I say 'your take'...I didn't mean long copy/pasts of Bible verses...but I suppose that will be inevitable.
If God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, then God purposely created Adam and Eve to fall. It's really just that simple.
It is a metaphorical story about the beginning of consciousness which is necessary to produce such stories and to know the difference between good and evil. God was never angry and we were not punished. IT was simply our first lesson in discriminating among our primal urges. IMV, the Bible chronicles our spiritual (read=conscious) evolution and understanding of God. We can view them as the lessons we needed to evolve our consciousness toward its goal as set by God. Each stage of our evolution from primitive to civilized human beings had its special character and method of instruction and motivation. The beginning of wisdom was motivated by a fear of God, but that is not what the end motivation is supposed to be. Christ revealed the true motivation - the Holy Spirit of agape love.
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If God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, then God purposely created Adam and Eve to fall. It's really just that simple.
That is a BIG if. Your view is like thinking that you produced your child for the express purpose of failing because you were trying to teach them something they did not know. We had just been created and knew nothing. The Bible stories simply chronicle our species learning experiences, period.
Yes, Mystic. That is exactly what it it is like. And that is exactly why it is impossible to believe it because no human would willingly do that, even without foreknowledge of how it would turn out.
The learning -curve theory and a crucifixion turned into an object -lesson are "just a theory" in the Creationist usage of the term, and any problems with it are just waved away and the whole thing can just be covered over so you can't see the cracks in it with a bucket of pink, sticky "Agape love".
We know the theory, we can see though it and through the lofty patronizing sneers you use to try to intimidate us into buying it, and you are flogging a truly deceased horse, old mate.
Then Eden story is an old creation myth - nothing more. And if there is a god, it is not responsible for that - Iron age Bible -writers are.
"Pink, sticky agape love?" Are your perceptions of what concern for the well-being of others just as short sighted and stupid as those of the conservative Christians who accuse us of namby-pamby ideas?
"Pink, sticky agape love?" Are your perceptions of what concern for the well-being of others just as short sighted and stupid as those of the conservative Christians who accuse us of namby-pamby ideas?
I thought you had SOME sense.
"Agape love" isn't "concern for the well-being of others" That is more in line with humanism. It is a vague religious faith feelgood that is, as I said poured over all the problems to cover them up. It is no more than a Faith based method of ignoring problems and dismissing doubts.
"Agape love" isn't "concern for the well-being of others" That is more in line with humanism. It is a vague religious faith feelgood that is, as I said poured over all the problems to cover them up. It is no more than a Faith based method of ignoring problems and dismissing doubts.
Awesome post, and aint it So, SO true.
Besides that, it just sounds silly, I hate that word,'' Agape,'' it's like a slang saying for ''your ok and I am ok and everything is ok,'' when everything aint ok.
Since this is not Christian, per se...it is here in Religion.
What is your take on the garden, fruit, Eden story?
The word 'blame' was brought up in another thread...do you think God 'blamed'
Adam and Eve?
I don't.
I thought it was clear, (but I see, now, like mud).
Again, my take shouldn't influence the direction of this thread...I can give my take later on.
Do you think it is all metaphor? Do think it happened?
Anything goes...are you mad at God for the whole thing?
Oh, and when I say 'your take'...I didn't mean long copy/pasts of Bible verses...but I suppose that will be inevitable.
Doesn't it tell us? The fruit of the tree of knowledge; good and evil. To not eat the fruit of wickedness in which is a seed that produced Cain and Abel. To choose the good, and reject the evil. Those apples.
God blamed? No, God couldn't stand to be around them, look at how they act in the OT and today. No good deed goes unpunished, they lie to God, they lie about God, and they saw him they murdered him, and God forgave them?
God probably blamed himself and wished he had never created them. Thank God, God is righteous...ideally or materially, I like him.
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