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Old 06-03-2017, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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God would know what people would consider proof. So the issue really is why doesn't God provide proof then.
If God did provide proof of his existence, would you believe it?
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Old 06-03-2017, 02:23 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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If God did provide proof of his existence, would you believe it?
Of course I would.
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Old 06-03-2017, 02:24 PM
 
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If God did provide proof of his existence, would you believe it?
Of course. I believe all things that have been proven to me, and many things that haven't been proven, but are merely very likely.

I believe Alaska exists, although I have never seen it.

I believe you exist, because it is unlikely that an AI bot was released on CD.

I believe gravity exists, because I have experienced it.

Nothing points to God in the same way though.

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Old 06-03-2017, 02:42 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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Of course. I believe all things that have been proved to me, and many things that haven't been proved, but are merely very likely.

I believe Alaska exists, although I have never seen it.

I believe you exist, because it is unlikely that an AI bot was released on CD.

I believe gravity exists, because I have experienced it.

Nothing points to God in the same way though.
Good points. I would also like to point out that at one time I was a believer and when I found out those reasons were wrong I changed. There are some people on CD that say they were atheists and now they are believers. They must have gotten some proof sufficient for them to believe.
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Old 06-03-2017, 03:30 PM
 
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Good points. I would also like to point out that at one time I was a believer and when I found out those reasons were wrong I changed. There are some people on CD that say they were atheists and now they are believers. They must have gotten some proof sufficient for them to believe.
Thanks. I too was once a devout believer. Roman Catholic in my case. My journey to atheism began when I started to examine Christianity in order to understand the schisms that led to all of the different denominations. At first it never occurred to me that Christianity itself is a schismatic sect of judaism, but once I understood that, I felt driven to find proof for the Bible.

You can guess how that all ended. I became an atheist when I couldn't find any proof, and realized that the ultimate answer to all religious questions is "some guy said so..."
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Old 06-03-2017, 05:51 PM
 
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What would or would not change for you and how you live your life if you somehow found out that, without question, no god exists?
My belief that there is no god is already justified enough to act as though there is no god, so I wouldn't change anything.

When I realized that there almost certainly was no god, I stopped going to church, started having sex, started drinking more and honestly began enjoying life more. I would say my life is a bit happier now, and I am certainly more clear-headed in my thinking. Christianity really restricts your intellectual life. You can't simply "go where the evidence takes you" because your conclusions have to jive with the claims of Christianity. That is a fearful thing for an intellectually curious person.
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Old 06-03-2017, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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My belief that there is no god is already justified enough to act as though there is no god, so I wouldn't change anything.

When I realized that there almost certainly was no god, I stopped going to church, started having sex, started drinking more and honestly began enjoying life more. I would say my life is a bit happier now, and I am certainly more clear-headed in my thinking. Christianity really restricts your intellectual life. You can't simply "go where the evidence takes you" because your conclusions have to jive with the claims of Christianity. That is a fearful thing for an intellectually curious person.
Yes God gave you free will to make those choices. God does not object to sex or drinking. It becomes a problem when we put those things above God though.
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Old 06-03-2017, 07:34 PM
 
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Of course I would.
That is good to hear.
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Old 06-03-2017, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Thanks. I too was once a devout believer. Roman Catholic in my case. My journey to atheism began when I started to examine Christianity in order to understand the schisms that led to all of the different denominations. At first it never occurred to me that Christianity itself is a schismatic sect of judaism, but once I understood that, I felt driven to find proof for the Bible.

You can guess how that all ended. I became an atheist when I couldn't find any proof, and realized that the ultimate answer to all religious questions is "some guy said so..."
I was born and raised Catholic. The bolded is also why I gave up on religion but not necessarily the search for a god-thing.
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Old 06-03-2017, 08:21 PM
 
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Yes God gave you free will to make those choices. God does not object to sex or drinking. It becomes a problem when we put those things above God though.
I disagree about free will -- at least in the sense you probably mean it.

Most Christians think god objects to sex outside of marriage and drinking until you get plastered. Those were the variety of vices I started enjoying when I realized there was no invisible being watching me.
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