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The astonishing thing in watching the young man above give his talk is that people have allowed science to be diluted and twisted in schools by religious fundamentalists here in the 21st Century. We are not much better off today with respect to keeping these fools out of reach of our classrooms than we were back in the 1400's in tolerating the Church silencing scientists for their discoveries that flew in the face of the religious fundamentalists antiqued ancient holy book.
I'm chiming in wayyy behind on this post, but I guess I'm an atheist. I don't really believe in organized religion. I don't have a problem with it -- if it helps people through hard times, helps encourage people to be good people, whatever, then I'm good with it -- I just don't believe in any of it myself. I just tell people that I'm not religious. If they keep talking about religion with me, I just repeat, "That's great, but I'm not religious." I don't feel the need to argue or prove anything, nor do I ask others to argue or prove anything.
It's really one of the few Good questions theism has.
Actually, it's not ... because that particular question is guility of "begging the question" (putting the conclusion in the premise).
Askng "who" created everything presupposes the existence of a god - some sentient entity that, of course, if you follow this question down the rabbit hole, will ultimately end up being the god of the questioner's favored religion.
Asking how everything came into existence is a far more valid question -- except theists cannot automatically claim the existence of their pet theoretical god if asked that way. Which is why the question always assumes a "who."
(To those interested, sorry for my absence of late but my left hand became paralyzed a few weeks ago meaning no typing for me. It's only now healed up enough that I can type to some degree but it's still incredibly difficult; I'll be back in full force soon enough)
No it isn't. Before one can ask 'Who made everything' one has to show that everything was made - as opposed to always being there in some form or other.
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I'm chiming in wayyy behind on this post, but I guess I'm an atheist. I don't really believe in organized religion. I don't have a problem with it -- if it helps people through hard times...
Actually, it's not ... because that particular question is guility of "begging the question" (putting the conclusion in the premise).
Askng "who" created everything presupposes the existence of a god - some sentient entity that, of course, if you follow this question down the rabbit hole, will ultimately end up being the god of the questioner's favored religion.
Asking how everything came into existence is a far more valid question -- except theists cannot automatically claim the existence of their pet theoretical god if asked that way. Which is why the question always assumes a "who."
(To those interested, sorry for my absence of late but my left hand became paralyzed a few weeks ago meaning no typing for me. It's only now healed up enough that I can type to some degree but it's still incredibly difficult; I'll be back in full force soon enough)
That's the spirit!!!!
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