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You trivialize his goodness if you think that you are capable of growing to the point where he will accept you. To devalue God's goodness and mercy, and trust in our own righteousness is what places a person in hell.
You trivialize his goodness if you think that you are capable of growing to the point where he will accept you. To devalue God's goodness and mercy, and trust in our own righteousness is what places a person in hell.
Understand the 3 sections of the Tabernacle, and know this, those scriptures about hell are about the outer court of darkness shown in the outer court of Gentiles and these people are STILL saved. Jesus tells us that you can EVEN speak against him, you can EVEN decide not to keep any of the commandments and EVEN teach others not to keep the commandments of God and STILL be in heaven Baptist.
Understand that if you understand anything.
We are plainly told that the works of all men will be tested by fire and everyone will stand in the flames, the righteous will remain, and they receive a reward, but EVEN THOSE WHO BURN AND WATCH THEIR OWN WORKS BURN, ARE SAVED BAPTIST.
Notice how we are told that some people will come into the higher Zoe kingdom to recline with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and then they are sent out of there into the outer court of darkness, BUT KNOW THIS, those people were able to come in because they remained saved, they just couldn't enter into the city. We see those same people in Revelation who may be dogs, and those who love to love a lie and EVEN THOSE are saved, there they are.
People will come into the wedding feast and they will be grabbed by the back of their neck and escorted out and YET, EVEN THEY ARE SAVED.
This fire that cannot be quenched is this body you are in right now and it has an end, it is in corruption and is on fire right now. We pray for the rain of Tabernacles to put this fire out, because whoever receives the double portion of rain/spirit at the second coming of Christ is turned into an immortal who is no longer dying, who no longer has an end, and the people who do not receive this rain are the people hell is speaking of. Their seed doesn't receive the rain and so their worm shall never die.
You go through the barley and you are separated in the wheat and given the smallest of seed for the spirit, and you pray for the rain to fall on you that you may become immortal and you are standing in the flames that do not and cannot harm you.
People who do not know the Jewish idioms of the feast days don't see this though, they see a hell where God is going to torture somebody for eternity, and that is just not what we are really being told, and it is why the Jews don't see a hell like Christians or see Satan as Christians see Satan.
Weeping and gnashing your teeth is done from the outer court of Gentiles because you chose to remain a gentile, and you were found in the outer court for whatever reason you are found there, but this is not hell.
This is the least in the kingdom of heaven where you can speak against Jesus, not keep the commandments and even teach others not to keep the commandments and your are STILL SAVED, but only as one who has gone through a fire, and only as one who weeps and gnashes his teeth for what could have been, he doesn't weep and gnash his teeth because he is in Eternal fire, he does so because he didn't know he was in a race, and there he sits.
Jesus went to heaven to officiate Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur in your behalf. THIS YEAR, the thrones will be set in place, the council will sit, the books will come out, and YOUR NAME will be spoken, and your name will be written in one of 3 books. If you keep the Sabbaths of God and his unleavened bread, his feasts, and the law is always on your lips, Jesus is going to speak your name and write your name in the book of life and he is going to seal you in your forehead and right hand because he promised to protect you against Yom Kippur when and if you will keep only his worship system and love his Torah.
The 3 sections of the Tabernacle shows us what heaven is, and all these feasts, they are things to come, not things past away, they are shadows of things to come.
Colossians 16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
This scripture is speaking to converts of Judaism that nobody judge another in how they keep the feasts of Jesus. The law is that you have to travel to Jerusalem 3 times a year, and the 3 main feasts have many laws attached to them, but in Christ, we are free, and no man can judge another man in whether or not he keeps all the laws of the feasts of Jesus, he is to keep them in truth and in spirit.
Having said that, this says absolutely nothing to people in another religion who are not keeping the worship system of God.
It doesn't speak to the Hindu, it doesn't speak to the Muslim, and it doesn't speak to the Christian who has rejected the worship system of God to institute his own feasts.
It is just telling all of us converts to Judaism that we can't judge our brother if he doesn't keep all the laws of the feasts.
I thought the message of Jesus was to love one another, believe in him, and spread the good news. No? I thought the most important part of Christianity was to be "saved." Has that changed?
Apparently it has. Being Christian isn't enough for the fundamentalists - you have to be the RIGHT KIND of Christian.
How do you expect anyone outside of Christianity to take you folks seriously when you cannot even agree amongst yourselves?
Have no fear--God promised truth would be here in these last days and will become abundant. ( Daniel 12:4) it has--- There is 0 doubt, Jesus started one single religion( not the one that came out of Rome years later)(1Cor 1:10--There is no division in his religion, unity of thought( all matters( one truth)-- one religion has Jesus, One only needs pick from 33,000 different ones. It would take more than a lifetime to find it--unless one learns and applies ALL that Jesus taught us--then one can see clearly who he is with.
Like this super ultra important truth he gave to all-FREE to live by daily.
Matthew 6:33-- Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added to you.(sustenance, covering, spirituality)( Matt 6)
Jesus did not say seek my righteousness--he pointed all to the one he taught is greater than him--his Father--a true followers heart instructs its mind to do this daily= John 4:22-24-- the bottom line reality of it all--no trinity religion teaches these ultra important truths--they do not direct to go through Jesus to get to the Father. They are taught to seek Jesus' righteousness, because their teachers do not obey Jesus.
Have no fear--God promised truth would be here in these last days and will become abundant. ( Daniel 12:4) it has--- There is 0 doubt, Jesus started one single religion( not the one that came out of Rome years later)(1Cor 1:10--There is no division in his religion, unity of thought( all matters( one truth)-- one religion has Jesus, One only needs pick from 33,000 different ones. It would take more than a lifetime to find it--unless one learns and applies ALL that Jesus taught us--then one can see clearly who he is with.
Like this super ultra important truth he gave to all-FREE to live by daily.
Matthew 6:33-- Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added to you.(sustenance, covering, spirituality)( Matt 6)
Jesus did not say seek my righteousness--he pointed all to the one he taught is greater than him--his Father--a true followers heart instructs its mind to do this daily= John 4:22-24-- the bottom line reality of it all--no trinity religion teaches these ultra important truths--they do not direct to go through Jesus to get to the Father. They are taught to seek Jesus' righteousness, because their teachers do not obey Jesus.
Once more for the people in the back: Throwing Bible verses at people who do not believe the Bible to be anything more than a collection of stories serves no purpose.
Once more for the people in the back: Throwing Bible verses at people who do not believe the Bible to be anything more than a collection of stories serves no purpose.
Then tell us where your theology comes from, so we can debate you from that perspective.
Hanni, are you aware that some Christians (like the person to whose post I was responding) believe in a place of literal eternal torment? I'm not misunderstanding their meaning. I also am not really misunderstanding yours, I don't think, but my post you responded to wasn't written about your belief.
I was a Christian, and yes, I came to acknowledge the contradictions within both the body of doctrines I was raised with and believed, and within the bible.
So, you think they did what they did not out of love for God or others, but to ensure themselves "treasure in the next life"? They were behaving like servants but, inwardly, they didn't have a servant attitude/heart -- they were simply using others to attain something for themselves? Rather self-serving, yeah?
I know that you believe that people studying the bible is very important to God, and that God will reward them for doing this. What you aren't very clear about is what, exactly, you think that studying is going to accomplish. Do you think people should do that simply because it gains God's approval when someone knows all about the Jewish religion (which you believe is God's one true religion, I know.)? Or do you believe that knowing all about the Jewish religion somehow will effect a change within a person? And what change would that be?
Hanni, you also wrote this in another post: "...Jesus says that you must be born again, he didn't come to save you, he came that you might study the word enough to be born again, to raise a full grown son that you may build a house of resurrection...".
This is where I think you and I disconnect. It seems that, to you, this born again/raise a child/full grown son concept has to do with having God's Spirit so that one can perform some miracles and then rule over others (that's the prize, the "treasure"). But, it never seems like the inner character of a person really figures into it for you. It's all about a person studying and having knowledge about the Jewish religion and loving the Jewish law. What it doesn't seem to be about, for you, is an inner change/growth and a true concern for the well-being of others.
I'm not interested in ruling over others, Hanni. I believe that, if God is love, then that means everything else about God flows from that, and must be in harmony with it. So, to me, having the "Spirit of God" has to do with acting out of that spirit of love. Perhaps those who grow in that spirit of love are the ones who do and will "rule" in God's "kingdom" (non-literal), because they would be true servant-leaders who have the best interest of others at heart. I believe that I, personally, have an enormous amount of growth ahead of me, so I'm not "ruling", by any stretch of the imagination. Do I have regret about that ("wailing and gnashing of teeth")? You betcha. But I trust that God's bringing me along, Hanni -- raising me up (teaching/disciplining me) like a good parent. And if God's doing that for me, God is and will do that for everyone.
Becoming a person who is ruled by love -- that's a treasure within itself, and it's the only "race" I care about.
((hugs))
You put your opinions out there about Christianity, then reject Bible passages that conflict with such. I must assume your theology is "made up", based on your feelings.
You put your opinions out there about Christianity, then reject Bible passages that conflict with such. I must assume your theology is "made up", based on your feelings.
You have no clue how ridiculous that sounds. A true personal theology could never come from a book written by someone else. It should come from inside by definition.
If a verse doesn't sound right to me, I tear it out of the book and flush it down the commode where it belongs, along with the words of anyone who would treasure it.
Once more for the people in the back: Throwing Bible verses at people who do not believe the Bible to be anything more than a collection of stories serves no purpose.
Then if this real--I know it is-- Deuteronomy 30:19--God set before all--LIFE or DEATH-- both are everlasting. You have chosen wrong because of false reasonings. Losing out on life everlasting in Gods kingdom where every day will bring, love, peace and happiness to your daily life. Revelation has been passing before the worlds eyes for years--Few will believe the realities of its truth. Written over 1900 years ago.
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