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physical health = tending to the nourishment and well being of our physical body
emotional health = tending to the nourishment and well being of our feelings and emotions
intellectual health = tending to the nourishment and well being of our thoughts and our mind
spiritual health = tending to the nourishment and well being of our spirit
In a hospital there are doctors and nurses, there are psychologists and social workers, there are physical therapists and recreational therapists, there are dietitians and occupational therapists. And there are chaplains, and a chapel.
Why do you think there are chaplains in hospitals? And a chapel?
I'm not sure I understand. To me this is only restating what I asked about. So, what do you mean by "tending to the nourishment and well being of our spirit". What's the process and the goal? I'm not sure what you mean by nourishment.
Placebos. She means placebos. I don't think she realizes that, but.....
After all, that is what religion is. It makes people who feel helpless, or worthless, or whatever, feel like they aren't. The same goes for people in hospitals. That is all "spiritual health" is. A placebo. Praying makes people who can't help feel like they are helping. It is all about making people not feel helpless, even though they are.
I agree with many of your posts. But here, you are denigrating the effect of placebos. They work for a significant portion of the population in a significant number of situations.
It's not religion that empowers "helpless, or worthless" people to feel like they are not.
It's belief.
Belief may be the most powerful force in the universe.
Last edited by TroutDude; 06-09-2017 at 05:56 PM..
Reason: Changed a "gives" to "empowers" because it's a better word and my inner editor insisted on it.
I agree with many of your posts. But here, you are denigrating the effect of placebos. They work for a significant portion of the population in a significant number of situations.
It's not religion that empowers "helpless, or worthless" people to feel like they are not.
It's belief.
Belief may be the most powerful force in the universe.
I've read some stuff on drugs like LSD helping people who have depression. I think it's sometimes like that. Maybe the brain gets under too much stress and it just fires off a protection. It's a change in perspective that's for sure.
The large majority of people believing something doesn't mean it is true or rational. The religious love to lean on their crutch of "Well, the majority believe it, so it must be true!", but their thinking is deeply flawed.
Placebos. She means placebos. I don't think she realizes that, but.....
After all, that is what religion is. It makes people who feel helpless, or worthless, or whatever, feel like they aren't. The same goes for people in hospitals. That is all "spiritual health" is. A placebo. Praying makes people who can't help feel like they are helping. It is all about making people not feel helpless, even though they are.
No. That's not true, although I suppose it might possibly be for some people. Otherwise, that's a very juvenile view of what others would consider spiritual "health" or practice. It sounds as if you personally define prayer as nothing more than asking for help or for some specific action to be taken.
I agree with many of your posts. But here, you are denigrating the effect of placebos. They work for a significant portion of the population in a significant number of situations.
It's not religion that empowers "helpless, or worthless" people to feel like they are not.
It's belief.
Belief may be the most powerful force in the universe.
Indeed.
But there's a downside: if a person becomes dependent on a placebo for their physical or psychological health, the truth* literally becomes a health hazard.
*for example: that it's just a sugar pill and not actually a powerful new medicine
What the person does not realize...the person who claims those who practice religion are sick and delusional...
what that person does not realize is that it is the norm in medical practice to include spiritual health as part of a person's treatment plan. This is the norm with doctors and hospitals and the medical profession in mainstream Western medicine today. Doctors recognize and realize that spirituality is a key element in a person's health and wellness. Research based medicine supports spirituality in healthcare.
Aint that the truth, they have proven that faith is healthy, that to pray is healthy and to have some sort of guidelines in morality and ethics is extremely healthy. NO DOUBT, NO DOUBT, it may be the most important part of YOU.
Isn't it funny...I think people that only believe in what our woefully limited 5 senses
tell them...
believing there is nothing else...nothing exists that is unseen are wildly in the dark...
and are looking at existence with blinders...and are handicapped....(like in golf).
So, see, everyone has an opinion...what else is new?
Nor am I. I actually wonder where that phrase came from. Hmm maybe Hebrews 11 where it says "Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see". Well maybe not. That scripture suggests that what we believe is not based on baseless hope, but on a certainty. That certainly is from God who speaks to those who believe. And this is where the "logical and rational" arguments of the skeptics fail. They may as well argue that I cannot prove that I love my wife. And before they say "yea but I can see that person" I say sure, but you cannot prove I love that person. "Oh but we can hook you up to a brain machine and see how you react to Mrs5150". Ah, but that same brain machine shows me reacting to God in a parallel way. So either both measurements are proof or not proof off a reality. Can't say one is proof and the other is not. Sorry
Nor am I. I actually wonder where that phrase came from. Hmm maybe Hebrews 11 where it says "Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see". Well maybe not. That scripture suggests that what we believe is not based on baseless hope, but on a certainty. That certainly is from God who speaks to those who believe. And this is where the "logical and rational" arguments of the skeptics fail. They may as well argue that I cannot prove that I love my wife. And before they say "yea but I can see that person" I say sure, but you cannot prove I love that person. "Oh but we can hook you up to a brain machine and see how you react to Mrs5150". Ah, but that same brain machine shows me reacting to God in a parallel way. So either both measurements are proof or not proof off a reality. Can't say one is proof and the other is not. Sorry
Nor am I. I actually wonder where that phrase came from. Hmm maybe Hebrews 11 where it says "Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see". Well maybe not. That scripture suggests that what we believe is not based on baseless hope, but on a certainty. That certainly is from God who speaks to those who believe. And this is where the "logical and rational" arguments of the skeptics fail. They may as well argue that I cannot prove that I love my wife. And before they say "yea but I can see that person" I say sure, but you cannot prove I love that person. "Oh but we can hook you up to a brain machine and see how you react to Mrs5150". Ah, but that same brain machine shows me reacting to God in a parallel way. So either both measurements are proof or not proof off a reality. Can't say one is proof and the other is not. Sorry
Looking forward to you posting both sets of printouts verifying the similar reactions to two different stimuli as recorded by a neutral party on his/her "brain machine."
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