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Because I'm a helpful sort, I'm going to assist those who are hell-bent to reinvent Jesus as a warm and fuzzy big brother who pretty much just wants everyone to play nice, get along and give hugs all around.
The historical Jesus - boo! hiss! - said this (Matthew 10:34-36, NASB):[indent]"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.
Sounds like a horrible person. I would never accept anyone into my life who said that I must be set against my family. That's what we call an abusive relationship- trying to alienate people from their friends and family.
That's one of the messages in the gospels. It's dressed up to look like love for your fellow man, but in fact it's reject your father, mother, brothers and sisters if they don't belong to the cult; the cult is now your father, mother, brother and sisters. Indeed the others are now your enemies, and he is sending fire and a sword for them, and how he wishes for it. It's there: read it.
Sounds like a horrible person. I would never accept anyone into my life who said that I must be set against my family. That's what we call an abusive relationship- trying to alienate people from their friends and family.
Good thing I'm not a Christian.
You misunderstand. God isn't asking Christians to abandon family, but rather family and friends may abandon you. My wife and I have friends who were castigated by family for changing denominations.
You misunderstand. God isn't asking Christians to abandon family, but rather family and friends may abandon you. My wife and I have friends who were castigated by family for changing denominations.
Seems to me that applies more to apostates and atheists. How do you treat people who leave your church or come out as something horrible like...GAY?
You misunderstand. God isn't asking Christians to abandon family, but rather family and friends may abandon you. My wife and I have friends who were castigated by family for changing denominations.
That just seems to underline the point being made; you are treated as an outsider if you just switch to a different denomination of the cult. Never mind how you treat those family and friends who were never part of it.
I don't believe that you will find atheists or agnostics doing that. We may sigh over their buying into this or that superstitious or religious claim, but they will not be treated as no longer part of the family or circle of friends. if there is a split - they are the ones who will do it.
That just seems to underline the point being made; you are treated as an outsider if you just switch to a different denomination of the cult. Never mind how you treat those family and friends who were never part of it.
I don't believe that you will find atheists or agnostics doing that. We may sigh over their buying into this or that superstitious or religious claim, but they will not be treated as no longer part of the family or circle of friends. if there is a split - they are the ones who will do it.
I don't necessarily buy into your last paragraph, but OK. My point was, it's usually the non-changing family member that creates the problem.
I don't necessarily buy into your last paragraph, but OK. My point was, it's usually the non-changing family member that creates the problem.
There is a difference between having a narcissistic family member and a belief system that quotes Bible verse justifying the abuse and glorifying the abuser as a follower of Christ.
Have you been on the Christianity forum? You are constantly saying "God is love" period. While it is true that God is love, God has other attributes.
That's because God IS love.
Jesus is not G-d.
It is only Christians who have raised him to that level, which is in disagreement with their own scriptures.
If they want an angry man-god, they can have one. Doesn't make him mine.
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Have you been on the Christianity forum? You are constantly saying "God is love" period. While it is true that God is love, God has other attributes.
