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Nor does having a spirit or being a spirit make one a spiritist, nor a spiritualist.
But that's not the point.
I agree that's not the point.
What is your view of the premise that "atheists are deeply spiritual"? It sounds like you agree . Because they have a spirit and their awareness of it is deeply hidden.
What is your view on those who state they are deeply spiritual but deny that spirit exists?
I'm just curious how people reconcile that.
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What is the point, in your view, of the premise that atheists are deeply spiritual? Or someone stating they are deeply spiritual but deny that spirit exists.
I said that if we are spirit, or have a spirit, then we are spiritual whether we deny the existence of spirit or not. Nothing deep about it -- just a logical conclusion, aisi.
I said that if we are spirit, or have a spirit, then we are spiritual whether we deny the existence of spirit or not. Nothing deep about it -- just a logical conclusion, aisi.
So then you agree and it is your logical view that atheists are deeply spiritual? They have a spirit and it is deeply hidden from their awareness. I just want to understand your view and state it clearly on the topic and opening post.
It sort of renders the term "spiritual " useless for conveying any meaning then. Sort of like saying "Atheists are people." Or atheists are human.
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I said that if we are spirit, or have a spirit, then we are spiritual whether we deny the existence of spirit or not. Nothing deep about it -- just a logical conclusion, aisi.
That's what I mean by a wide range of meanings. spiritual can mean doing and feeling most of the things that are often claimed for Theists. It can mean having a spirit (whether or not we know or admit it, as you say). It can mean having idea or beliefs about this 'spirit',
As usual, just so we say what we mean by he term when we use it, then we avoid confusion.
That's what I mean by a wide range of meanings. spiritual can mean doing and feeling most of the things that are often claimed for Theists. It can mean having a spirit (whether or not we know or admit it, as you say). It can mean having idea or beliefs about this 'spirit',
As usual, just so we say what we mean by he term when we use it, then we avoid confusion.
What's your response Trans when you hear or are told "atheists are deeply spiritual"
So then you agree and it is your logical view that atheists are deeply spiritual? They have a spirit and it is deeply hidden from their awareness. I just want to understand your view and state it clearly on the topic and opening post.
It sort of renders the term "spiritual " useless for conveying any meaning then. Sort of like saying "Atheists are people." Or atheists are human.
I don't see it as useless to acknowledge that if one believes that all are spirit or have a spirit, then we are all in the same boat. Everything we experience is spiritual, whether we recognize it in the moment or not. You, yourself, claim to believe that all are divine, so why you find this a useless thing to acknowledge is odd to me.
I don't see it as useless to acknowledge that if one believes that all are spirit or have a spirit, then we are all in the same boat. Everything we experience is spiritual, whether we recognize it in the moment or not. You, yourself, claim to believe that all are divine, so why you find this a useless thing to acknowledge is odd to me.
I think the difficulty is that Tzaphkiel has "consciously spiritual" in mind, or the idea that "spiritual" means confronting the more difficult metaphysical questions.
$.02 toward understanding.
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