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No, I'm saying that if it's not a house of worship of G-d, I don't think that qualifies as a "church". I don't care what name is over the door. Peace
Nope, let's look at your words. I said:
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Originally Posted by MoonBeam33
UUs are not Christians. They don't have to follow Christian rules. That's why.
And you responded:
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Originally Posted by Rbbi1
So basically a social club that wants tax exempt status is what you're saying? Peace
So you've ruled out synagogues and mosques in YOUR definition of what qualifies as a group deserving tax exempt status. You just decided about 1/3 of the population of the earth goes to "social clubs" because they're not Christian.
I'm sure you'll now backtrack, but the fact is that non-Christian groups do not have to follow Christian rules. Period. And that just makes some Christians crazy, because they think they're the only ones who should make the rules.
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Originally Posted by Rbbi1
Stating the obvious without any intent of being "nasty". Faith in WHAT? They already removed G-d from the equation, one of the posters "in the know" said they don't have to believe in anything. I don't personally think that is a church deserving of tax exempt status, do you? But then again, I guess it depends on how "church", which should be a house of WORSHIP (Jesus's words, not mine) is defined. Clearly the government doesn't know, either. Peace
Tell me, how do you know if someplace is a house of worship if you have never, ever stepped a foot inside their doors? Does Jesus make the rules for synagogues too?
This isn't really about tax exempt status, this is about Christians wanting to define what is religious, what is right and correct, and wanting everyone else to follow their rules. And then they want to cry out that they're oppressed because they don't get to do that.
On a final note, there is something that you (and other Christians) need to get a grasp on. There are many, many of us who believe in God, and commune with God, and are friends with God. God is my friend;much older, wiser friend, but still a friend. I don't worship my friends. I go to God for advice, guidance, to ask for loving protection of my loved ones, and to give thanks. And believe it or not, I can do all that without a building or a book!
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So you've ruled out synagogues and mosques in YOUR definition of what qualifies as a group deserving tax exempt status. You just decided about 1/3 of the population of the earth goes to "social clubs" because they're not Christian.
I'm sure you'll now backtrack, but the fact is that non-Christian groups do not have to follow Christian rules. Period. And that just makes some Christians crazy, because they think they're the only ones who should make the rules.
Tell me, how do you know if someplace is a house of worship if you have never, ever stepped a foot inside their doors? Does Jesus make the rules for synagogues too?
This isn't really about tax exempt status, this is about Christians wanting to define what is religious, what is right and correct, and wanting everyone else to follow their rules. And then they want to cry out that they're oppressed because they don't get to do that.
On a final note, there is something that you (and other Christians) need to get a grasp on. There are many, many of us who believe in God, and commune with God, and are friends with God. God is my friend;much older, wiser friend, but still a friend. I don't worship my friends. I go to God for advice, guidance, to ask for loving protection of my loved ones, and to give thanks. And believe it or not, I can do all that without a building or a book!
Maybe you missed it, but I'm a Messianic Jew, who goes to a synagogue. And, I could care less what rules Christians make, nor am I crying over being oppressed. Jesus said, My Father's house shall be called a house of PRAYER (a type of WORSHIP). I think that defines what a "church" is, regardless of what name is over the door, was my point. Since in one of the poster's comments, it was said that belief in G-d was not necessary for inclusion, then that obviously would throw worship out the window, would it not?
The rest of your comments, are between you and Him, so take it up with Him. I would say it looks like for you it's a good thing it's not a place of worship, since you don't need a building (ever?) to do that. Peace
And, come to think of it, I could have added I'm a Mormon because I believe Adam was a red man, and I've seen gold tablets in the Spirit, the souls/hearts of men the hand of the Spirit writes upon.
Holy cow! If you were to claim those things, no Mormon I know would recognize you!
Holy cow! If you were to claim those things, no Mormon I know would recognize you!
Really??? Because I had an afternoon one time talking to a man who had been a priest in the Tabernacle out there for 15 years and to my surprise, those were 2 things we mutually understood. Peace
Stating the obvious without any intent of being "nasty". Faith in WHAT? They already removed G-d from the equation, one of the posters "in the know" said they don't have to believe in anything. I don't personally think that is a church deserving of tax exempt status, do you? But then again, I guess it depends on how "church", which should be a house of WORSHIP (Jesus's words, not mine) is defined. Clearly the government doesn't know, either. Peace
Your intent is always quite clear. Your disdain for human beings who aren't just like you seethes through your words. Own it.
I don't worry about who gets or doesn't get tax exempt status. That has nothing to do with anything in this topic.
Faith in what? Translation: Not faith in what Rbbi1 believes, so therefore it's nothing.
If the people in the UU weren't seeking something, they'd go to a real social club, or find another activity. Some may not be sure of what they seek, but they know there is something. You do a bang-up job of steering them away from Christ.
Your intent is always quite clear. Your disdain for human beings who aren't just like you seethes through your words. Own it.
I don't worry about who gets or doesn't get tax exempt status. That has nothing to do with anything in this topic.
Faith in what? Translation: Not faith in what Rbbi1 believes, so therefore it's nothing.
If the people in the UU weren't seeking something, they'd go to a real social club, or find another activity. Some may not be sure of what they seek, but they know there is something. You do a bang-up job of steering them away from Christ.
My comment did not exclude anyone or make any remarks towards any of the denoms mentioned as attending, my comment was pertaining to, if not believing in ANY god at all was ok in this place mentioned, and no worship of any kind takes place, then how, by definition is that a "church"? I didn't single out any denom mentioned, and it was a legitimate question. Has nothing to do with what I believe, and I'm pretty sure other non-religious people might also have the same ponderings, if they knew and/or thought about it. So your comment is nothing but slander as usual, and you should have "Love" for all but those I perceive to be fundamentalist, made into a bumper sticker or something.
I'm surprised the tax exempt status thing doesn't interest you, as you are usually very socially conscious and against tax money being spent in frivolous ways from what I've read of your posts, so it seems to me that tax money never coming in to begin with, would be at least a curiosity worth considering.
Maybe you missed it, but I'm a Messianic Jew, who goes to a synagogue. And, I could care less what rules Christians make, nor am I crying over being oppressed. Jesus said, My Father's house shall be called a house of PRAYER (a type of WORSHIP). I think that defines what a "church" is, regardless of what name is over the door, was my point. Since in one of the poster's comments, it was said that belief in G-d was not necessary for inclusion, then that obviously would throw worship out the window, would it not?
The rest of your comments, are between you and Him, so take it up with Him. I would say it looks like for you it's a good thing it's not a place of worship, since you don't need a building (ever?) to do that. Peace
If you're a Messianic Jew, you're a Christian. And you are the one who said Jesus made the rules about what happens in a church- not synagogue, not mosque, not temple - you said church.
And requirement in a belief in God is not possible. You think there aren't thousands of people who go to church/synagogue/mosque every week and don't believe in God, doubt the possibility of God, or just have no idea? Sure there are. So you have no idea, none, if the person next to you believes in God at all, much less the same version of God that you do.
Again, you are the one who is so concerned about what happens in other houses of worship, and yet you know nothing about them and don't enter them, so your "concern" is really just another attempt at control, which is what certain Christians - certain Messianic Jews included - are obsessed with.
Oh yeah, Zoroastrianism, I suppose, but the first three did a great job of killing off Ahura Mazda, who only lives on these days in Miatas.
The three survivors are known for hating each other and being divided, literally, into sects that also hate each other.
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