Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 07-20-2017, 05:28 PM
 
8,226 posts, read 3,421,135 times
Reputation: 6094

Advertisements

Most of what people say about Christ these days seems irrelevant to me.

Conservative Christians worry about abortion and homosexuality, when as far as we know, Jesus never cared about either of those things.

Liberal Christians think Jesus was mainly concerned about helping the poor and being nice to everyone.

I think both liberals and conservatives are seeing Christianity through their own cultural perspective, which has nothing to do with the real meaning of the religion.

This is what, in my opinion, Christ and Christianity are really about:

Blood sacrifice -- extremely important, in many or most cultures. Central to ancient Judaism.

Need for salvation -- we can't begin to imagine what happens after we die. Should we just cruise along, assuming it will all work out somehow, without us doing anything? According to Christianity, we need perfect faith in GOD to avoid serious disasters. I don't know, but I think maybe that is true, or partly true.

The dark side -- Satan is REAL. There is always a dark side to everything, there has to be! Satan just represents the opposite of whatever we want, whatever we love, whatever we strive for. Satan is always there to oppose us, to make life a challenge. Life HAS TO BE a challenge!

Christ is the helper god, the guiding spirit, who can guide us through the maize of life, and the after life. Who we can call on in our constant efforts to overcome Satan.

Jesus and Christ are not the same thing. Christ is a symbol for the supernatural being who is available to each of us. Christ can be different for each of us. It also is called a Higher Power. Not the same as the infinite God, Christ is more personal and more accessible to us.

Jesus was a mortal human being, not biologically related to the Jewish God. He was a teacher, a healer, a prophet or shaman. There were people like Jesus in every ancient and prehistoric society.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-20-2017, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
9,455 posts, read 12,546,803 times
Reputation: 16453
Quote:
Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
Most of what people say about Christ these days seems irrelevant to me.

Conservative Christians worry about abortion and homosexuality, when as far as we know, Jesus never cared about either of those things.

Liberal Christians think Jesus was mainly concerned about helping the poor and being nice to everyone.

I think both liberals and conservatives are seeing Christianity through their own cultural perspective, which has nothing to do with the real meaning of the religion.

This is what, in my opinion, Christ and Christianity are really about:

Blood sacrifice -- extremely important, in many or most cultures. Central to ancient Judaism.

Need for salvation -- we can't begin to imagine what happens after we die. Should we just cruise along, assuming it will all work out somehow, without us doing anything? According to Christianity, we need perfect faith in GOD to avoid serious disasters. I don't know, but I think maybe that is true, or partly true.

The dark side -- Satan is REAL. There is always a dark side to everything, there has to be! Satan just represents the opposite of whatever we want, whatever we love, whatever we strive for. Satan is always there to oppose us, to make life a challenge. Life HAS TO BE a challenge!

Christ is the helper god, the guiding spirit, who can guide us through the maize of life, and the after life. Who we can call on in our constant efforts to overcome Satan.

Jesus and Christ are not the same thing. Christ is a symbol for the supernatural being who is available to each of us. Christ can be different for each of us. It also is called a Higher Power. Not the same as the infinite God, Christ is more personal and more accessible to us.

Jesus was a mortal human being, not biologically related to the Jewish God. He was a teacher, a healer, a prophet or shaman. There were people like Jesus in every ancient and prehistoric society.
Two questions. What is your source material about Jesus? In this source material, what is Jesus quoted saying about Himself?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2017, 06:12 PM
 
8,226 posts, read 3,421,135 times
Reputation: 6094
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr5150 View Post
Two questions. What is your source material about Jesus? In this source material, what is Jesus quoted saying about Himself?
From the gospels. Jesus never says he is a biological relative of Yahweh. Sometimes it seems like God speaks through Jesus, as if Jesus is a prophet.

So, for example, when Jesus says "I am the way," he could be speaking for God. I don't think he was referring to his own personal self.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2017, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
9,455 posts, read 12,546,803 times
Reputation: 16453
Quote:
Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
From the gospels. Jesus never says he is a biological relative of Yahweh. Sometimes it seems like God speaks through Jesus, as if Jesus is a prophet.

So, for example, when Jesus says "I am the way," he could be speaking for God. I don't think he was referring to his own personal self.
He says, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except thru Me. That's pretty much first person. John 14:6.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2017, 06:40 PM
 
19,029 posts, read 27,599,679 times
Reputation: 20271
I am the only begotten son of The Lord.

That's Jesus too.

OP, Christianity has as much in common with teaching of Jesus, as the last year melted snow. You look at the wrong source. Find HIS original word. That's actually is not easy, as it is well concealed from masses.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2017, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
31,373 posts, read 20,184,822 times
Reputation: 14070
Quote:
Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
...snip...

Jesus was a mortal human being, not biologically related to the Jewish God. He was a teacher, a healer, a prophet or shaman. There were people like Jesus in every ancient and prehistoric society.
That's pretty much how I see him: special and possibly even Special. Like Newton, da Vinci, Shakespeare, Einstein, Mel Blanc, Yogi Berra, Pope Francis et al.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2017, 06:48 PM
 
8,226 posts, read 3,421,135 times
Reputation: 6094
Quote:
Originally Posted by ukrkoz View Post
I am the only begotten son of The Lord.

That's Jesus too.

OP, Christianity has as much in common with teaching of Jesus, as the last year melted snow. You look at the wrong source. Find HIS original word. That's actually is not easy, as it is well concealed from masses.
All we have of Christ's teaching is the gospels. It seemed to me there was very little in the gospels about Jesus being the biological son of God. He said very little about himself. His teaching was mostly about how to get to the kingdom of God.

Jesus never referred to himself as God. And if he seemed to imply it, that could have been inserted into the text later.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2017, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
20,441 posts, read 12,788,798 times
Reputation: 2497
The meaning of Christ is this:

John 1

29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2017, 06:58 PM
 
8,226 posts, read 3,421,135 times
Reputation: 6094
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmiej View Post
The meaning of Christ is this:

John 1

29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"
That is the blood sacrifice aspect of Christianity, which is very central to the religion, and maybe to all religion.

Why is blood sacrifice so extremely important in ancient and prehistoric religions?

While he was alive, no one thought of Jesus as a blood sacrifice. That was decided after he died. Also note that he did not die like a typical sacrificial victim.

Jesus was a leader of a Jewish sect, the Christian religion that came later incorporated concepts from other religions. For example, the god who dies and is reborn, and the god who is half human. And, of course, blood sacrifice.

I am NOT saying Christianity isn't true, or real! I am just saying it's a much broader more general kind of truth. Too many Christians are hung up on physical specifics that just don't matter, or just can't be known.

Biological son of God? Can't possibly know, doesn't make sense anyway. Physically rose from dead? Can't possibly know, who cares anyway.

Crusader against homosexuality and abortion? No, not Jesus.

Socialist who advocated for the poor? No, not when you consider Jesus WANTED his followers to be poor. Modern socialists are the opposite.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2017, 07:01 PM
 
8,226 posts, read 3,421,135 times
Reputation: 6094
Just saying -- so much that is IMPORTANT about Christianity is ignored now days, and so much that is irrelevant or unrelated is focused on.

We have an awful lot to be afraid of, and I believe we need something like Christianity to guide us. But for most Christians, it is being misused and misunderstood.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:54 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top