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View Poll Results: Is there any excuse or reason for not hearing "The Word"?
Yes, it could easily happen and is excusable 5 20.83%
Yes, but only in very rare and exceptional circumstances 1 4.17%
No, there is simply no excuse, "The Word" is how we will be judged 5 20.83%
The Word is not how we will be judged anyway/ or we cease to exist 13 54.17%
Voters: 24. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-15-2017, 02:44 PM
 
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How can I describe to you adequately a meeting with the Creator of all that is, and it's effect on every aspect of your being, including the physical one? Words are nearly impossible to convey it. I was agnostic, firmly agnostic. I tell you, the experience shook me to my core, and I was LITERALLY, observably, different from one day to the next, so much so it affected those around me because they KNEW something, some indescribable SOMETHING, had happened to me. And then, one by one, over a few weeks to 4 years, all experienced the same earth shattering thing.

He said I stand at the door (of your heart) and knock, and if any man will answer me I will come in.....and that's EXACTLY what He does. And after that NO MAN can tell you it's not real, it didn't happen, it's your imagination, or any of a hundred excuses they can come up with to validate their own opinions of it. It is what it is, EXACTLY like He said it is. And you know what? I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS WRITTEN IN A BOOK; no one told me until after the fact.

And when I read that part for myself, and understood it, and realized that what had happened to me was written in a book, I went out and bought that book and studied it in the original languages, shutting myself up with it and nothing but study, alone for 2 years. And in that time, I EXPERIENCED everything that book said I would if I believed. EVERYTHING. I'm only alive having this conversation with you right now because I believed the book said He's a healer. Peace
That's an interesting story. What made you believe it was the Christian God? Why did you go to the Bible and not the Quran or some other holy book? I'm sure you are aware of people with different beliefs, or no supernatural belief at all, who change. Do you thinks its possible for a life to change without the Christian God doing it?
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Old 08-15-2017, 02:45 PM
 
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Again, it's not an opinion if it happens. And when it does, there is NO QUESTION in your mind that it is NOT the same spirit as a suicide bomber of Allah. Just sayin'....Peace
"If" is determined at death. Judging by the human evidence, I would conclude that Allah is more likely than Jesus, when you consider those who will take their own lives in faith. Btw, considering all the evidence of the world, I don't believe your supernatural story. I'm not sure whether to consider you insanely delusional or a pathological liar.
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Old 08-15-2017, 02:50 PM
 
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That's an interesting story. What made you believe it was the Christian God? Why did you go to the Bible and not the Quran or some other holy book? I'm sure you are aware of people with different beliefs, or no supernatural belief at all, who change. Do you thinks its possible for a life to change without the Christian God doing it?

Simple, I had friends/co-workers of all faiths and no faith at all. One of them, a Baptist, after seeing me changed and asking me what had happened to me 4 days later, told me it was in her bible, and then showed me. I didn't even know what exactly what the terminology was for what had happened to me. I only knew that it had. Her book gave me a definition for what was nearly indefinable.

Yes, change is possible for anyone, but not THIS change, because this change happens from the inside out, not the outside in. Peace
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Old 08-15-2017, 02:54 PM
 
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"If" is determined at death. Judging by the human evidence, I would conclude that Allah is more likely than Jesus, when you consider those who will take their own lives in faith. Btw, considering all the evidence of the world, I don't believe your supernatural story. I'm not sure whether to consider you insanely delusional or a pathological liar.

I really don't care what you consider me, but this is part of my *testimony* for lack of a better word, and it is exactly what happened to me, and was witnessed by many people in my life at that time. If it doesn't fit with your perceived constructs, I'm sorry, but it didn't fit with MINE at the time, either, and it STILL happened anyway. Peace
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Old 08-15-2017, 02:56 PM
 
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Simple, I had friends/co-workers of all faiths and no faith at all. One of them, a Baptist, after seeing me changed and asking me what had happened to me 4 days later, told me it was in her bible, and then showed me.

Yes, change is possible for anyone, but not THIS change, because this change happens from the inside out, not the outside in. Peace
This voice you heard, was it an audible voice?
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Old 08-15-2017, 03:01 PM
 
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This voice you heard, was it an audible voice?

I didn't hear a voice. Where are you getting that from? I'm talking about my first day, the day of the change. Peace
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Old 08-15-2017, 03:09 PM
 
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Can you define your terms? What do you mean by "The Word"?
The Word is regarded as living and breathing according to Evangelicals, so I think you know what I mean.
This includes both the Old and New Testaments.
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Old 08-15-2017, 03:31 PM
 
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I didn't hear a voice. Where are you getting that from? I'm talking about my first day, the day of the change. Peace
From this statement you made.

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He said I stand at the door (of your heart) and knock, and if any man will answer me I will come in
Maybe I misunderstood. You said that He said this and then someone showed you in the Bible where God says this, not knowing it was in there.

I think I understand better now after re-reading your post. You "heard a knock" and opened it, let Him in and he changed you. Is that a better understanding? Had you ever been to a Christian church or watched a Christian sermon?
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Old 08-15-2017, 03:34 PM
 
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The Word is regarded as living and breathing according to Evangelicals, so I think you know what I mean.
This includes both the Old and New Testaments.
I think we're in agreement. There are others, though, that overly spiritualize it and make it into a some weird phenomenon of them talking to Jesus. They define JESUS as that Word and think that if you don't have that connection to him where he's whispering in your ear, you're just not a Christian.
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Old 08-15-2017, 03:47 PM
 
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From this statement you made.



Maybe I misunderstood. You said that He said this and then someone showed you in the Bible where God says this, not knowing it was in there.

I think I understand better now after re-reading your post. You "heard a knock" and opened it, let Him in and he changed you. Is that a better understanding? Had you ever been to a Christian church or watched a Christian sermon?

My parents were agnostic Jews. What do you think? Peace
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