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Try not to rub your hands together as you say this.
I don't think it is a good thing at all, and am just as fearful of Hellfire as the next guy.
There are ISIS execution videos of people being burned to death.
One was a Jordanian pilot captured by ISIS. (these videos are readily available on the internet)
At least the person dies and the screaming and suffering is over.
But to be tortured like that for eternity, I actually hope and pray that God does not do that to anyone, and if they are currently there, for the suffering to come to an end. (even if Fundamentalists say you cannot pray for the dead)
This is total baloney. The ONLY people who have said they experienced fire and demons in NDE's in YouTube videos are Christians w/ fanciful titles like "Soldier for Christ777" and "Living For Christ". Obviously this stuff is pure propaganda to try to terrify people into accepting Jesus and they never learn that you cannot frighten a person into accepting Jesus with eternal torment. The people being preached to are just going to turn off and walk away like they're doing now.
But thank you, Derek, you helped to get this conversation back on track. Christians are extremely fond of doing up flashy ugly videos of people burning in hell:
But why would God require a person to writhe in unbearable agony for eternity just for a thought crime of not believing in Jesus? A person cannot force themselves to believe in Jesus even if they wanted to if it's just not in their nature. So why can't God just banish such non-believers to a neutral place of dark mist with no fire? Why does God feel compelled to make a person burn to a crisp over and over for all eternity? It just doesn't make any sense. Unless, again, eternal torment in fire was invented to scare people into accepting Jesus as Derek is trying to do right this moment.
I agree with your bolded comments.
The punishment does not befit the crime/s.
As Ive learned from the scriptures God's plan includes a time where he simply stops letting wicked souls have life.. the fires in hell are eternal but a soul is in a very real threat to have its life taken from it for good... forever... who of us knows what death or even non-life is?
I posed this question a dozen times in the Christian forum and no Christian has ever been able to answer.
Please give us logical explanation why God simply has to have us burning in fire in hell eternally or He's really pissed. The Bible gives no origin or explanation for fire in hell. Why couldn't God have created a twilight zone where sinners just exist in darkness or gray mist. Why explicitly does a soul have to burn in fire in order to satisfy God? What's the purpose? Just to make a sinner suffer the most extreme pain God can inflict on them? Isn't God able to devise pain that's 10x's worse than the most painful punishment fire can inflict? Please explain.
The only alternative is that this "fire in hell" thing was an invention of the early Church to scare pagans into joining Christianity.
Why do you blame God for sinners facing the concequences of their actions done on free wil?
Why don't you ask the sinners who don't repent, as to why they want to be placed in fire or in darkness or in a mist ? Are they crazy?
Why do you blame God for sinners facing the concequences of their actions done on free wil?
Why don't you ask the sinners who don't repent, as to why they want to be placed in fire or in darkness or in a mist ? Are they crazy?
And why are you side-stepping the question? The question is not, "Why would sinners deliberately choose to be fried like bacon on a grill for all eternity" because that is just crazy talk.
The question is, "Why does God demand such a horrific punishment when, if the purpose is just to remove sin from heaven?" He could accomplish that simply by banishing sinners to the furthest distance from heaven. Put another way, "Why not just dump a big bucket of water in hell and douse the flames? What's the purpose for the flames being there in the first place? Why did God put flames in hell before tossing the rebellious angels into it? What sense does it make?"
Try answering those questions before you make nonsensical assumptions that people ask to get thrown into eternal flames.
I posed this question a dozen times in the Christian forum and no Christian has ever been able to answer.
Please give us logical explanation why God simply has to have us burning in fire in hell eternally or He's really pissed. The Bible gives no origin or explanation for fire in hell. Why couldn't God have created a twilight zone where sinners just exist in darkness or gray mist. Why explicitly does a soul have to burn in fire in order to satisfy God? What's the purpose? Just to make a sinner suffer the most extreme pain God can inflict on them? Isn't God able to devise pain that's 10x's worse than the most painful punishment fire can inflict? Please explain.
The only alternative is that this "fire in hell" thing was an invention of the early Church to scare pagans into joining Christianity.
That is odd how hellfire is believed to be so but no Christian has yet to answer as why hell is from Mars because it was refused.
The Christian version of hell in those Bibles as it reads is not as bad a version of hellfire as described in "The Book of the Dead."
One may try to devise another way to look to why God is not filled with judgment and that is their right to believe it is pretend.
If the Lord Jesus Christ said everlasting torment then that is what He meant because He does and if not believed it's unbelieved.
There are levels of heaven and hell dependent on one's choices in the one life given, that choices made will be as fruit gathered.
The intergalactic warfare of a kind which made planets go extinct as man has one chance to live a life for good or for the baited.
Ammit the Devourer who is in the form of a lion, a hippopotamus, a crocodile, how man lives to destroying the Kingdom of God.
Genesis 1 is the suite the Creator of the whole universe set as man became a destructive cycle to where the cherubim are placed.
How and why it is that way that man will not cure himself of a desire to continue to overstep His rules so he enters hell employed.
The warnings given in so many ways to it is only disastrous to continue to ignore those elements of the deep opening hell up wide.
The text cycles of violence is that God has a Kingdom and it is not the one the world has to offer as it will be absolutely destroyed.
And why are you side-stepping the question? The question is not, "Why would sinners deliberately choose to be fried like bacon on a grill for all eternity" because that is just crazy talk.
The question is, "Why does God demand such a horrific punishment when, if the purpose is just to remove sin from heaven?" He could accomplish that simply by banishing sinners to the furthest distance from heaven. Put another way, "Why not just dump a big bucket of water in hell and douse the flames? What's the purpose for the flames being there in the first place? Why did God put flames in hell before tossing the rebellious angels into it? What sense does it make?"
Why does hell has fire in it? Is that what you are asking?
The answer is,
Why should hell not have fire in it? Do you want God to get an approval from you before he designs hell? What is your worth? 80 odd years and then a pile of bones and rotting meat under six feet of soil?
You can't create a functioning wing of a mosquito, and you want God to seek your expertise in designing universe? God should ask YOU as to whether he should put fire in hell or not? And you are, who??
As previously stated, God does whatever he decides to do - he is not answerable to anyone, he doesn't need your or my advice and he is not answerable to anyone.
If you don't like the design of hell (if you believe that it exists), then go ahead and try to stop God.
Your original question is very rudimentary in my opinion.
If you believe that hell exist then the focus of your life should be how to avoid it, and not worry about how it wasn designed, and why does it have fire and not water lakes? The clock is clicking.........
Why does hell has fire in it? Is that what you are asking?
The answer is,
Why should hell not have fire in it? Do you want God to get an approval from you before he designs hell? What is your worth? 80 odd years and then a pile of bones and rotting meat under six feet of soil?
You can't create a functioning wing of a mosquito, and you want God to seek your expertise in designing universe? God should ask YOU as to whether he should put fire in hell or not? And you are, who??
As previously stated, God does whatever he decides to do - he is not answerable to anyone, he doesn't need your or my advice and he is not answerable to anyone.
If you don't like the design of hell (if you believe that it exists), then go ahead and try to stop God.
Your original question is very rudimentary in my opinion.
If you believe that hell exist then the focus of your life should be how to avoid it, and not worry about how it wasn designed, and why does it have fire and not water lakes? The clock is clicking.........
So "might makes right?"
No one is questioning God here. What is being questioned is men's ideas ABOUT God.
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You may have ruined bacon for me forever ... nah.
