Where did God come from? (prophets, miracles, Noah, create)
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THIS is exactly what I talk about...our little pea brains can not
even imagine what it really looks like to sit in a row boat 100 miles from shore and
have a complete picture of the water all around and under you....the weight of it, the depth, of it....the immensity ..try it, you can't.
And it just shows how on earth can you really say you know much of anything with
a brain that can't even imagine 'God'...
Ah, 3rd dimension, dualistic thinking just does not take you very far on the quest of Self-realization or the Absolute.
Yes, true, and nobody knows it better than the rationalist skeptic and atheist. Which is why we say "We Don't know" And it is why those who claim they do know ire being irrational and making caims they can't substantiate.
We must beware of the venomfang fallacy of denigrating scientists who only claim to know about what they can show and then pretending that faith-based fantasy is somehow better.
I am very familiar with the effect of investing in Faith (I have even done it myself) and I am acquainted with the feelings that are identified as 'God' and I have often wondered whether that would convert me. As an Agnostic/Atheist, I don't deny it, but say that we don't really know what this is or what is doing it. I'd put my money on a mental effect, myself, but I can't back that up.
That said - and it eaves a lot of room for mutual rapprochment with "Agnostics" or Irreligious theists, we can often agree on the invalidity of organized religion and the need to roll it back, and Trouts even takes a bit of an interest in my fossicking about the Gospels.
Last edited by TRANSPONDER; 06-30-2017 at 06:58 AM..
Reason: someimes you just don't know where that comma should go...
God is LIVING TIME--specifically, LIVING SPACETIME--the literal fabric of the universe. Jesus confirms this when he says, "I am the Beginning and the End", which I interpret to mean "I am [literally] the Beginning--the LIVING PAST--and the End--the LIVING FUTURE. That is who and what I actually AM " Jesus also said, "Before Abraham was, I AM", where Jesus was not only claiming to be the great I AM, but was also claiming that THE PAST STILL EXISTS and that GOD is STILL ALIVE IN THE PAST, and (by implication) ALREADY ALIVE IN THE FUTURE.
Only something inanimate that is already naturally eternal with no beginning (like eternal time) that somehow becomes alive can explain the origin of a living God who is likewise naturally eternal with no beginning.
This is consistent with Augustine's claim that God did not make the world IN time. God made the world WITH time. Your foray into an attempt justify Trinity silliness is unnecessary. By existing and LIVING God necessarily creates time by His growth and reproduction of which we are a part.
God did not come from anywhere, God does not have a beginning where you could point and say,'' God came from there.''
Everything that has a beginning has an end, but there was no beginning with God, he always was, and always will be.
I can't say I agree. God began when some men in a certain region created him - depending which god and which region. But I would guess 'God' was created a long time ago, further back than the alleged 'creation'. That would mean that man was around to witness said 'creation'?! That's going by the 6,500 YA 'creation' believed by some. Also take into account that 'God' has evolved quite a bit over time.
So yes, God did come from some place and some time in history. Right here on earth.
I can't say I agree. God began when some men in a certain region created him - depending which god and which region. But I would guess 'God' was created a long time ago, further back than the alleged 'creation'. That would mean that man was around to witness said 'creation'?! That's going by the 6,500 YA 'creation' believed by some. Also take into account that 'God' has evolved quite a bit over time.
So yes, God did come from some place and some time in history. Right here on earth.
Everything that has a beginning, it has an end.
We are talking about the end of God, but I feel ya man, my thoughts of creation and things are way out there in left field and I guess your opinion is as valid as mine as far as proving anything.
The flood for instance, I think it is a story how mankind got here, and the bible relates that man is a beast from cover to cover and it was humans that loaded into an ark two by two, as a male spirit inside a female body, as one person being two, that everyone on the ark was both male and female, a spirit and a body and there was no animals on the ark save humans, or fallen angels lol.
Yes, true, and nobody knows it better than the rationalist skeptic and atheist. Which is why we say "We Don't know" And it is why those who claim they do know ire being irrational and making claims they can't substantiate.
We must beware of the venomfang fallacy of denigrating scientists who only claim to know about what they can show and then pretending that faith-based fantasy is somehow better.
I am very familiar with the effect of investing in Faith (I have even done it myself) and I am acquainted with the feelings that are identified as 'God' and I have often wondered whether that would convert me. As an Agnostic/Atheist, I don't deny it, but say that we don't really know what this is or what is doing it. I'd put my money on a mental effect, myself, but I can't back that up.
That said - and it eaves a lot of room for mutual rapprochment with "Agnostics" or Irreligious theists, we can often agree on the invalidity of organized religion and the need to roll it back, and Trouts even takes a bit of an interest in my fossicking about the Gospels.
I am so sorry I can not substantiate anything I say regarding God and 'His' Nature.
I love scientists...I cheer them on to find more and more!
I do not 'believe ' in faith..it is blind...either you experience something or you don't. Do not get me started on my dislike of org religions!
From the time I was little, I would lie awake at night and wonder, Where did God come from? He must have been "born" somehow. From what?
When I asked my mother, "When was God born?" she said, "God has always existed, so God was never born." (Thanks, Mom. I'll send you my therapist bill.)
He had to come from somewhere/something. Right? So...from where? Or what? And what was "there" before God came into being? Was there just...nothing? And how could anything come from nothing? (In fact, it was the "universe--something from nothing" thread that made me think to ask this question.)
I'm not any mainstream religion but I do believe in God. I'm curious what others of any religion or philosophy believe on this.
Your Mom was right on. For us, there is always a beginning... and an ending, but as our Creator and Heavenly Father, God isn't as we are. I'll add this to the words of wisdom of your Mom.
"God is Soul and has always existed."
Unbelievable to comprehend, but when we get to know the real God from a soul level aka our "soul perceptions", it ain't all that difficult.
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