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You could buy or borrow a book about cosmology and research this yourself. Maybe Wikipedia has a good article.
I asked why you think there were no atoms before the expansion of the waters beyond the firmament, Heaven...or your Big Bang. Are you claiming "Nothing" existed before the big bang?
Why would I ask a book what you think? Evidently, you don't know.
Because there were no atoms, no sub atomic particles, nothing. Then after the expansion, there were. They did not exist until after the expansion.
The Taoists explain this well, with Ying and Yang; positive, negative; etc.
Water contains atoms. Kinda silly for you to claim atoms didn't exist before the expansion of the waters beyond Heaven.
And even more silly for you to claim "Nothing" existed before the big expansion or the big bang and "Nothing" caused it.
Seems like everybody can explain why you think whatever it is you think but you. Nothing caused the big bang? whatever caused the big bang doesn't exist? Nothing did everything? and the more ignorant we get the bigger "Nothing" becomes.
Your statement that Genesis 3:1, represents "the origin of Satan," is simply an example of your personal system of make believe in action.
Let me see...at the end of Genesis 1, God looks back upon everything he had made and everything was very good. No talking snakes or devils upon earth or in heaven with God. Still none in chapter 2 at all. And then here is Chapter 3:1...something not good...some Lying Tongue with Eve more subtle than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. You can't notice the wind of change here.
Genesis 3:1 is an example of your ignorance and lack of understanding. Make believe you understand Genesis 3:1 and tell me the real meaning behind it.
Gen.3
[1] Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? KJV
Hebrew Interlinear Translation of Genesis 3:1
u·e·nchsh eie orum m·kl chith e·shde ashr oshe ieue aleim u·iamr al e·ashe aph ki amr aleim la thaklu m·kl otz e·gn
and·the·serpent he-became crafty from·all-of animal-of the·field which he-madedo Yahweh Elohim and·he-is-saying to the·woman indeed that he-said Elohim not you(p)-shall-eat from·any-of
tree-of the·garden https://www.scripture4all.org/Online...OTpdf/gen3.pdf
Do you notice what is missing from the ACTUAL TEXT of Genesis 3? That would be the phrase "[that Lying Tongue]." Because you have simply inserted it. There are those that might consider altering or adding to sacred scripture to be a LIE.
So let's return to Genesis 3:1.
Gen.3:1
[14] And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
As punishment God declared that the serpent would be cursed to crawl on its belly for all of its days.
Is Satan, the Satan of YOUR brand of Christian make believe, armless and legless?
Jewish Encyclopedia
AHRIMAN (Angro-mainyush; identical with Satan, the Devil, Armilus):
By: Erik Stave, Kaufmann Kohler
In the Mazdian religion, the evil deity, who has his real opposite in Spenta Mainyu, "the beneficent [holy] spirit." The latter was identified at a later period, if not originally, with Ahuramazda. Ahriman would seem to have existed as long as Ahuramazda; for, according to the conceptions of the Mazdian religion, immeasurable space has always existed, with its two hemispheres of light and darkness; each with its particular spirit: the one, that of light or life, and the other that of darkness or death—the spirits, in short, of good and of evil.
Ahuramazda and Ahriman.
Ahriman's might, too, is very terrible in the eyes of the faithful believer of the Mazdian faith; for he possesses a whole kingdom of evil beings, who are obedient tools in his hands for annihilating the creations of Ahuramazda and for bringing men to violent destruction. AHRIMAN - JewishEncyclopedia.com
The concept of a powerful evil force in opposition to God is derived from Persian Zoroastrianism. It wasn't originally a Jewish concept. In Jewish belief Yahweh Elohim was all powerful. Yahweh Elohim was the source of all benevolence, and of all woes. The Jewish concept of God changed after the Babylonian exile, as Persian beliefs became infused with Jewish beliefs.
Jewish Encyclopedia
"Satan" in the Bible.
But after the Exile the Jewish mind becomes unable to refer to God, as formerly, everything that has happened and continues to happen in the world. AHRIMAN - JewishEncyclopedia.com
How do belief systems change, and become fused with another belief system? People constantly reinterpret their beliefs, in an attempt to shape them into something that more closely conforms to their personal conceptualization. Often this is acheived by reworking their sacred texts to being them into conformity with that which they choose or prefer to believe. Just as you have done here!
Job.2
[1] Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
[2] And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Do snakes walk the earth? Or do they crawl about on their bellies? Job 2:1 very clearly identifies Satan as one of the sons of God, who are presenting themselves to God. When God asks Satan where he has been, Satan replies, in Job 2:2, that he has been walking the earth.
Well, duh. If God ordered Satan to crawl on his belly on earth and "to eat dirt and die all the days of his life," why does God need to ask Satan where he has been?
I have read that God is omnipotent.
Rev.19
[6] And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
To be omnipotent is to be all powerful. All powerful beings get the results they intended to get without fail! Omnipotent God created Adam and Eve and the serpent with his own hand to be exactly what He intended them to be. God put Adam and Eve and the serpent together in the garden. Did God make a mistake by doing this? God is also omniscient. He knows all things. Omnipotent omniscient Beings do not make mistakes. Omnipotent omniscient Beings get exactly the result they intend to get without fail! If evil exists, then it is the will of God that evil exists. Just as Isaiah 45:7 indicates.
This confused contradictory and totally illogical system of belief belongs to YOU, I should point out. I consider too silly for words.
So you believe God created talking snakes?
Satan crawling upon his belly all the days of his life, and up and walking with legs again in Job, and somehow flying into heaven and back is your claim here: Have you ever read of, "Satan going forth into the streets roaring like a lion seeking whatsoever he may devour?" That Lying Tongue was hungry! Feed Me I'm Hungry!
"Do snakes walk the earth? Or do they crawl about on their bellies? Job 2:1 very clearly identifies Satan as one of the sons of God, who are presenting themselves to God. When God asks Satan where he has been, Satan replies, in Job 2:2, that he has been walking the earth."
When did talking snakes crawl about on their bellies? In Genesis?Came from where? Your imagination?
Only talking serpents I know going forth upon their belly roaring like a lion seeking something whatsoever to devour is Man. See that lying Tongue go forth upon its hungry belly?
Here fool, eat this:
Dragon = Satan = Devil = Serpent that can talk and was first found with Eve talking. Eve with some Lying Tongue...yep, you heard that right.
"...that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world. . . He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan...And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan..." Rev.
How did Satan deceive the whole world? By lies and deceit. A Lying Tongue.
Now the serpent [that Lying Tongue], was more subtle than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made." And you claim a talking snake with legs tricked Eve? So now all the talking snakes are crawling around upon their bellies? Have you seen one? Where did they go? I don't believe they ever existed.
A talking snake sounds like this sss. SSS. SSS# = 666# for the buying and selling of merchandise but these Lying Tongues still have their legs.
Satan lost his legs in Genesis, Satan had his legs back in Job, because Job is the oldest found
fragment people once tried to claimed Job and Satan existed before Genesis, before Adam, before heaven and earth were created when Satan fell to earth from Heaven before it even existed...that will never work out.
"Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made." means -
1. And the serpent became crafty animal of the field which he made do Yahweh Elohim and he-is-saying to the woman indeed that he-said Elohim not you (p)-shall-eat from any tree of the garden.
or
2. Now the serpent [that Lying Tongue] was more subtle than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.
And serpent became crafty animal talking to Eve? Completely Unreasonable. Adam didn't claim that. God didn't claim that, Snake doesn't claim that...and the Indians claimed white man spoke with forked tongue... I think they knew more than you do.
Water contains atoms. Kinda silly for you to claim atoms didn't exist before the expansion of the waters beyond Heaven.
And even more silly for you to claim "Nothing" existed before the big expansion or the big bang and "Nothing" caused it.
Seems like everybody can explain why you think whatever it is you think but you. Nothing caused the big bang? whatever caused the big bang doesn't exist? Nothing did everything? and the more ignorant we get the bigger "Nothing" becomes.
You seem pretty comfortable with your god creating everything from nothing but you just can't get your head around the universe coming for ''nothing''.
That aside, nobody but theists are saying that the universe came from nothing (you remember that bit about 'In the beginning... don't you'). Atheists don't say that the universe came from nothing and science certainly doesn't. Furthermore, there is that sticky little problem of nobody being able to show that before BB there was ''nothing''. The most likely and most logical scenario is that the universe has always been there in some form or other. Can you show, with verifiable evidence, that before BB, there was ''nothing''? If you can't then the easiest explanation is... 'The Universe exists. It always has.'
You seem pretty comfortable with your god creating everything from nothing but you just can't get your head around the universe coming for ''nothing''.
That aside, nobody but theists are saying that the universe came from nothing (you remember that bit about 'In the beginning... don't you'). Atheists don't say that the universe came from nothing and science certainly doesn't. Furthermore, there is that sticky little problem of nobody being able to show that before BB there was ''nothing''. The most likely and most logical scenario is that the universe has always been there in some form or other. Can you show, with verifiable evidence, that before BB, there was ''nothing''? If you can't then the easiest explanation is... 'The Universe exists. It always has.'
No! It means that God did it! Oh wait, if there was nothing before the BB then there was no god .....
You seem pretty comfortable with your god creating everything from nothing but you just can't get your head around the universe coming for ''nothing''.
That aside, nobody but theists are saying that the universe came from nothing (you remember that bit about 'In the beginning... don't you'). Atheists don't say that the universe came from nothing and science certainly doesn't. Furthermore, there is that sticky little problem of nobody being able to show that before BB there was ''nothing''. The most likely and most logical scenario is that the universe has always been there in some form or other. Can you show, with verifiable evidence, that before BB, there was ''nothing''? If you can't then the easiest explanation is... 'The Universe exists. It always has.'
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. The waters existed, and the stuff God divided and separated from the waters to dry as earth already existed. God divided the waters and separated "Stuff" from the waters to dry. There is no claim God created anything out of nothing in Genesis 1. Show me your support otherwise.
In the beginning the spirit of God, consciousness, "Moved" upon the face of the waters and we know the waters had stuff in them. SOMETHING MOVED-ENERGY. And it all existed before God created the heaven and the earth.
In the beginning of TIME [not the tight universe as it was then] God created the heaven and the earth of days, weeks, months, years...millenniums that came with a weekly cycle. TIME began.
Famous scientist Dr. Kaku on national television, stated that Dark Energy is coming from "Nothing." What does that mean? It means whatever is causing Dark Energy doesn't exist. Wrap your head around that.
And scientist Dr. Kahu also pointed out the expansion of the Universe had just sped up for no reason. Nothing ever happened at any time or anyplace ever for no reason. Cause and effect. If something happened, something caused it to happen. Always. And the bigger the ignorance the bigger Nothing gets.
No! It means that God did it! Oh wait, if there was nothing before the BB then there was no god .....
If there was nothing before the big bang then the big bang never happened. Something caused it, I call it God. You call it "Nothing," whatever caused the big bang didn't exist? Impossible.
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