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Old 12-06-2017, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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yeah, how I wish unicorns and rainbows were real.

I wonder how you could afford the trip and not the hospital stay. sounds like you choose to spend money that would have better been saved. Then, when trouble hit, you blame the system because you did what you wanted and got stuck.

I wish I had the luxury to do what I wanted and have others pay for the rainy days. you know that flood story. blame god because you don't work hard and prepare.
Traveling internationally -- depending on where you are going -- is often less expensive than traveling domestically. Staying in good hotels in Thailand was far less expensive than staying in good hotels in the States. Dining in good restaurants in Thailand was always MUCH cheaper than in the States. So while your airfare may be more expensive, costs of things once you arrive at your destination often more than balance that out.
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:06 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Not what I would call proactive.
Good thing, too. One of the banes of my life has been people who see it as the reason for them having a life is to advise me about hoiw i should live mine.

Damn... was that projection???
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:08 PM
 
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You're being too picky, IMHO, in re the Golden Rule. It's a simple concept, and I don't think anyone ever thought it was the answer to every situation or odd ball types of people.

My recipe:

1. Stop constantly multi-tasking and be truly mindful (a concept taught in Buddhism) on your interactions with others. Have real conversations with as many different kinds of people as possible, and make it a situation where you learn more than you "teach".

2. Get out of your comfort zone. Way out of your comfort zone. If you live in the Washington, D.C. suburbs, for example, spend some time up at Dupont Circle and don't just think how weird everyone is...interact. Walk around Adams Morgan neighborhood.

3. Better yet, visit a third world country if you can...or as close as you can. Thailand may not be quite third world, but it's definitely not first world. I learned more about life there than I did any other part of my life. Don't just hang out at the American style hotels and restaurants. Talk to everyday people. Take an interest in their lives. Visit small villages, not just big cities. There's a whole world out there that doesn't revolved around you and your country. Learn about other cultures independently; don't rely on a news channel or book.
suburban liberals really need to get in the city and be learnt a few things. Their is a reason the Asian communities walled themselves in and built thriving and vibrant communities that people travel from miles around to go see. wonder why others didn't? I wonder why other communities have to put gates on every window to protect themselves from themselves? going to inner city Asian, Jamaican, and other communities is wonderful example of working hard and earning ones keep.

I totally agree with you, suburban people need to go look at that.
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:14 PM
 
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Traveling internationally -- depending on where you are going -- is often less expensive than traveling domestically. Staying in good hotels in Thailand was far less expensive than staying in good hotels in the States. Dining in good restaurants in Thailand was always MUCH cheaper than in the States. So while your airfare may be more expensive, costs of things once you arrive at your destination often more than balance that out.
that's a different topic. he couldn't afford to help his kid when they got sick, I would say it doesn't matter how cheap it was. then blaming "The states"? real insightful.

seems to me pushing anti-religious socialism is the goal. not settling the issue of how the universe works.
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:15 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Excellent post.

I remember one day a colleague came to me saying he and his wife were going to Thailand for a summer vacation, and asked what they should see. They were going on a tour, so I said to not worry about what to see. But on free tour time be sure to talk to everyday people. I really emphasized it. When they got back I asked how their trip was, and they told me about temples and buildings. I asked about their experiences just talking to everyday people. They only talked to their Thai tour guide. I just shook head and walked away. They could have rented a video.
I know. I suppose I'm in the middle, and the idea of flying to Bali to sit on a beach bewilders me. And the Ubud guest house I stayed at was a lot more fun than a hotel, if not quite as comfortable. I stayed with a Thai monk at his monastery and then at his farm in the south. I stayed with a family in Issan. And while it was an interesting thing to have done, I'm not sure that I had any great revelations, other than I do better to arrange my own life and not try to fit it around other people and their lives.

You want to know about being bored on a holiday? Staying with the wife's family in Burma. I spent a couple of days laying a brick path on the slippery mud track around the house just to have something to do. And the fact is, I go for the temples and buildings. Because in the end I find..people, are just people.
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:26 PM
 
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* Indeed this had happened a couple of years before when the same daughter had severe flu during a student exchange visit to Spain. We were scrambling to figure out how to pay the hospital. They displayed the same confusion, and then, actually a little bit of feeling insulted. "We are not barbarians, sir; we are duty bound to give your daughter the best possible care as a matter of course. We would not charge you for this." Funny how every country in the West has figured out how to accomplish this, but the good ol' USA.
As an Aussie who enjoys the benefits of 'free' universal health care, I must say that it's always puzzled me as to why many Americans consider it to somehow be 'socialist/communist'.

No-one plans to get sick. Nearly 18 years ago I was diagnosed with a rare 'terminal' illness & spent 6 months in hospital. If I lived in the U.S., I'd still be paying off the bill much less afford quality health care since.

We pay just 1.45% of our income for this privilege which we just take for granted. In all my years I can't remember hearing anyone whinging about the tax or that it's taking one step closer to being a socialist state.
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:31 PM
 
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As for the Golden Rule - 'Do unto others' is fine for the sane & rational but not so good for us when applied by sociopaths, psychopaths, sadists & the downright selfish.

Personally, I prefer the Wiccan creed 'If it harms none, do as you will.'
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:00 PM
 
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As for the Golden Rule - 'Do unto others' is fine for the sane & rational but not so good for us when applied by sociopaths, psychopaths, sadists & the downright selfish.

Personally, I prefer the Wiccan creed 'If it harms none, do as you will.'
I like that. Overly simplistic similar to the Golden Rule, but still not a bad thing to try to live by.
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:10 PM
 
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your freedom to do what you want stops when it infringes on others freedom. we have to be careful of the words "not harming". indirectly we can harm others, there is no real victimless crimes.
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:18 PM
 
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As an Aussie who enjoys the benefits of 'free' universal health care, I must say that it's always puzzled me as to why many Americans consider it to somehow be 'socialist/communist'.

No-one plans to get sick. Nearly 18 years ago I was diagnosed with a rare 'terminal' illness & spent 6 months in hospital. If I lived in the U.S., I'd still be paying off the bill much less afford quality health care since.

We pay just 1.45% of our income for this privilege which we just take for granted. In all my years I can't remember hearing anyone whinging about the tax or that it's taking one step closer to being a socialist state.
we don't. that's what far left wants you think. And remember the united states has etn times the people you have. I would be all for pulling our troops back to pay for health care.

I would be all for making able bodied citizens working for health care instead of flat welfare that pays more money for more kids. How about more work for more money. so to wrap it up into 'how can you not want health care" is short sighted by a foreigner.

where do people go that need the best medicine? australia?
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