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Old 02-12-2024, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Yes, Jesus loved neighbor MORE than he loved himself - see John 13:34-35 and John 15:12-13
The Golden Rule of Leviticus 19:18 was to love neighbor as you love yourself.
Jesus' New commandment goes past love of self to surrendering one's life as mentioned at 1st John 3:16.
Jesus sacrificial love for us moved Jesus to die for us.
God surrendered His Son for us. What parent would willingly sacrifice their son in place of you.
God didn't need to surrender anybody since he was all powerful. That's just a Cecil B DeMille fantasy.
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Old 02-12-2024, 01:13 PM
 
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Politicians are puppets to their donors. They prostitute themselves for money. No Satan needed to explain that.
If per Psalm 2:10-12 god's son is his chosen ruler then he had better get busy running his campaign and getting on ballots.
Yipes! Jesus' campaigning has been going on since the time of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8
The Scriptures are Jesus' ballot and we choose to accept or reject Jesus as King/ruler of God's kingdom government.
It is Now the good news (gospel) of God's Kingdom (thy kingdom come....) has reached an international scale today as never before in history. This means we are nearing the 'final phase' of proclaiming the good news of God's Kingdom (Daniel 2:44; 7:13-14) leading up to 1st Thess. 5:2-3 when the powers in charge to be saying, " Peace and Security...." as the ' final signal ' and that rosy saying can lead people down that old Primrose Path instead of the coming great tribulation of Rev. 7:14. (Psalm 2:4-6 )
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Old 02-12-2024, 01:36 PM
 
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Yipes! Jesus' campaigning has been going on since the time of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8
The Scriptures are Jesus' ballot and we choose to accept or reject Jesus as King/ruler of God's kingdom government.
It is Now the good news (gospel) of God's Kingdom (thy kingdom come....) has reached an international scale today as never before in history. This means we are nearing the 'final phase' of proclaiming the good news of God's Kingdom (Daniel 2:44; 7:13-14) leading up to 1st Thess. 5:2-3 when the powers in charge to be saying, " Peace and Security...." as the ' final signal ' and that rosy saying can lead people down that old Primrose Path instead of the coming great tribulation of Rev. 7:14. (Psalm 2:4-6 )
Yeah you are fixated on "peace and security" like it's some terribly specific, portentous thing ... when in fact it is what politicians have promised since the beginning of time. It says literally nothing about the End of Days. You could literally point to it as a sign of the imminent 2nd coming or rapture or whatever, on any day in the last 3,000 years.

In any case quite a few people understand that the shortage of resources, interruptions of supply chains, climate change, and such like lead to war, refugee crises, widespread disenfranchisement and distrust, and ultimately violence in the streets. Not enough people ... and not powerful enough ... but you don't need an apocalyptic narrative to understand that we are in deep doo-doo.
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Old 02-12-2024, 01:37 PM
 
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God didn't need to surrender anybody since he was all powerful. That's just a Cecil B DeMille fantasy.
Huh? Not a movie but as found in Scripture at John 3:16; Romans 8:32; 1st John 4:9-10,19

Right. God did Not need to surrender anyone but of His own free will He chose to send per-human Jesus to earth for us.
We can't resurrect oneself or another so we needed someone who could resurrect us. Jesus can and will - Rev. 1:18
Jesus balanced the Scales of Justice for us. Jesus undid what imperfection sinning father Adam brought upon humanity.
Adam proved un-faithful to God under good conditions. Jesus proved faithful to God under adverse conditions.
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Old 02-12-2024, 01:51 PM
 
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Yeah you are fixated on "peace and security" like it's some terribly specific, portentous thing ... when in fact it is what politicians have promised since the beginning of time. It says literally nothing about the End of Days. You could literally point to it as a sign of the imminent 2nd coming or rapture or whatever, on any day in the last 3,000 years.
In any case quite a few people understand that the shortage of resources, interruptions of supply chains, climate change, and such like lead to war, refugee crises, widespread disenfranchisement and distrust, and ultimately violence in the streets. Not enough people ... and not powerful enough ... but you don't need an apocalyptic narrative to understand that we are in deep doo-doo.
Well, I must say I like the way you expressed that we (mankind) are in deep doo-doo.
How is man going to get out of the doo-doo ?
Yes, politicians have promised peace and security but today's news shows None of them have succeeded.
MAN's long history shows MAN has dominated MAN to MAN's hurt, MAN's injury - Ecclesiastes 8:9
In the past after a war is when the political say peace, but seems more-and-more they say it before a war ends.
So, couple the words of Matthew chapter 24 and Luke chapter 21 with today's news as mentioned above.
Men often paint an apocalyptic Armageddon as the end of life on Earth, but the Bible's Armageddon is the end of wars on Earth (Psalm 46:9) the end of sickness on Earth (Isaiah 33:24) the beginning of 'healing' on Earth (Rev. 22:2) and as Isaiah paints a beautiful paradisical word picture for us in the 35th chapter of Isaiah.
This is the good news aka gospel that Jesus proclaimed about the good news of God's Kingdom governing over Earth for for a thousand years.
- 1st Corinthians 15:24-26
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Old 02-12-2024, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Huh? Not a movie but as found in Scripture at John 3:16; Romans 8:32; 1st John 4:9-10,19

Right. God did Not need to surrender anyone but of His own free will He chose to send per-human Jesus to earth for us.
We can't resurrect oneself or another so we needed someone who could resurrect us. Jesus can and will - Rev. 1:18
Jesus balanced the Scales of Justice for us. Jesus undid what imperfection sinning father Adam brought upon humanity.
Adam proved un-faithful to God under good conditions. Jesus proved faithful to God under adverse conditions.
i
What utter nonsense. There was no need for Jesus to be crucified. Silly, silly story.

You know, you can quote all the bible verses you wish. To a non-believer they mean NOTHING at all.
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Old 02-12-2024, 02:28 PM
 
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What utter nonsense. There was no need for Jesus to be crucified. Silly, silly story.
You know, you can quote all the bible verses you wish. To a non-believer they mean NOTHING at all.
Of course, the Bible means nothing to a non-believer. Non-believers normally have No interest in a religious forum.
Can you resurrect yourself or anyone else?
The last time I looked around I found No one can resurrect another or oneself.
None of us can undo the damage Satan and Adam caused bringing death to us.
However, a sinless faithful one (aka Jesus) could balance the Scales of Justice for us.
A Balancing Scale to even out justice by proving faithful to God.
* Sinless Adam under good conditions proved un-faithful.
* Sinless Jesus under bad conditions (horrible execution) proved faithful to God.
As with the man Job, Satan challenges all of us that under adverse conditions we would Not serve God.
Both the man Job and Jesus under very bad conditions proved faithful to God showing so can we.
Non-believers can simply end up with no hope in anything, becoming extinct gone forever.
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Old 02-12-2024, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Of course, the Bible means nothing to a non-believer. Non-believers normally have No interest in a religious forum.
Can you resurrect yourself or anyone else?
The last time I looked around I found No one can resurrect another or oneself.
None of us can undo the damage Satan and Adam caused bringing death to us.
However, a sinless faithful one (aka Jesus) could balance the Scales of Justice for us.
A Balancing Scale to even out justice by proving faithful to God.
* Sinless Adam under good conditions proved un-faithful.
* Sinless Jesus under bad conditions (horrible execution) proved faithful to God.
As with the man Job, Satan challenges all of us that under adverse conditions we would Not serve God.
Both the man Job and Jesus under very bad conditions proved faithful to God showing so can we.
Non-believers can simply end up with no hope in anything, becoming extinct gone forever.
You'd be good at standup.
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